Talk:St. Trinitatis, Wolfenbüttel

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Did you know... that the Lutheran St. Trinitatis in Wolfenbüttel, consecrated in 1719, is a Baroque church with a facade recalling that of a palace?

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The result was: promoted by Launchballer talk 16:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Facade of St. Trinitatis

... that the Lutheran St. Trinitatis (pictured) in Wolfenbüttel, consecrated in 1719, is a Baroque church with a facade recalling that of a palace? Source: [1]
- Reviewed: Alas! and Did My Saviour Bleed
- Comment: It would be cute if we could run this Trinity Church on Trinity Sunday, 26 May.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2106 past nominations.

Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 18 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Needs some work. Look at the tags.--evrik ^(talk) 00:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, evrik, for the speedy review, good corrections of my sloppy mistakes, and better English. I hope I fixed the tags. (I started the article by simply translating, and afterwards searched for references, which not always matched the translation exactly, - couldn't find the "several attempts", for example.)

I couldn't find a good English word for what in German would be Prunkfassade or Schaufassade, that type of Baroque outside splendour, pomp, you name it, - trying to represent the importance of the Duchy. One word given by my translator for "repräsentativ" is "prestigious". Help? Same for the organ: I forgot that the word for the German "Prospekt" is simply "case" which seems too simple for more Baroque splendour, but I used that now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problems found in my first review have been corrected. --evrik ^(talk) 15:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Just dropping this thought here: the name of this article should be Trinity Church, Wolfenbüttel. --evrik ^(talk) 00:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a name that is not used in a single source. Most of those say St. Trinitatis, but our Wikidata and commons have Trinitatiskirche. One source has "St. Trinity Church" but that complete translation is questionable, feel free to compare German and English. I'll go ahead and move to St. Trinitatis, Wolfenbüttel. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You find the sources when you search in English. --evrik ^(talk) 18:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think one lighting provider using that name makes it the common name? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In English, perhaps. I'm not going to make an issue of this today, but after the DYK posts, maybe then. --evrik ^(talk) 19:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps my thinking is too simple: I believe that a "common name" should be commonly used. If a topic is often mentioned in a foreign language and rarely in English, the foreign name will be more common, no? Erschallet, ihr Lieder, for example. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:10, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kaisertor

Was the structure a Kaisertor [de], or was it a Kaiserturm or Kaiserturm?--evrik ^(talk) 19:42, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The structure was a Kaisertor, but not the specific one in Lübeck, a real building of defense that is. The others were honorific monuments to a German emperor, so 19th century and early 20th. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:14, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Was it a city gate? --evrik ^(talk) 16:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Describe the facade

Looking for a neutral word in English to describe the typical Baroque facade which is there to show off. The German words are Prunkfassade (Prunk = splendour, pomp, magnificence) and Schaufassade. I tried "splendid" but it was removed as not neutral. Sorry about my lack of English. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I saw the change made by @Z1720:. I inserted "highly decorative". --evrik ^(talk) 16:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you, better than nothing. I read the article on Baroque architecture but found no word. The German "dekorativ" means something different, but I keep learning ;) - again I found no good English word for rather smallish things, such as laces on a dress, and usually meant in a negative way. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - I removed splendid because I interpret that as an opinionated statement. I'm open to other descriptive words being used. Z1720 (talk) 18:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - As said again and again English is not my first language, and I thought it was a good to describe the splendour. I got it from my translator for "prächtig" and "prachtvoll", which are both neutral and descriptive in German. Learning, learning. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]