Talk:St. Thomas Cathedral Basilica, Chennai

Tombs of apostles

Removed: "regarded as one of the two basilicas in the world, together with the St. Peter's Basilica in Rome,"

And Santiago de Compostela? Plus, is there any kind of proof that it is actually built above the tomb? Or is it just tradition? David.Monniaux 10:28, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

The myth of St. Thomas having lived and died in Chennai is part of the Christian legend and does not have historical proof for it. In fact, St. Thomas may not have been to India at all. The Thomas Christian community of the Malabar, the oldest Christian community in India, itself derives its name not from the apostle Thomas but from the leader of a group of fleeing Syrian Christians, named Thomas Cananeus. These Christians were fleeing the Sassanian persecution and found in India, a safe place to practice their faith. However, with time this Thomas Cananeus got mixed up with Thomas the apostle in popular tradition. Kartheeque

Tour Guide as a Source?

A small blurb in a tour guide (Let's Go India & Nepal) is not a reputable source. The information attributed to it seem fantastical and designed to attract tourists. The following information was removed:

"About 1000 years later his remains were moved inland and a church was built close to the site of his death. The church was renovated around 16th century by the Portuguese, who took most of his remains when they left India. All that is left is his toe." JNG71886 (talk) 05:44, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

References

Hamsa.org

Hamsa.org seems to be a website with a fundamentalist religious agenda disprove other religions, hence it makes a poor source. Information from it were removed:

"San Thome Basilica is built atop the remnants of the famous Mylapore Shiva Temple. "

"However, the presence of St. Thomas in India is disputed." JNG71886 (talk) 05:44, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

References

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Buddist caves ajanta

The Ajanta Caves are approximately 30 rock-cut Buddhist cave monuments dating from the 2nd century BCE to about 480 CE in the Aurangabad district of Maharashtra state in India.[1][note 1] The caves include paintings and rock-cut sculptures described as among the finest surviving examples of ancient Indian art, particularly expressive paintings that present emotions through gesture, pose and form.[3][4][5]

Ajanta Caves UNESCO World Heritage Site Ajanta (63).jpg The Ajanta Caves Location Aurangabad District, Maharashtra State, India Criteria Cultural: i, ii, iii, vi Reference 242 Inscription 1983 (7th Session) Area 8,242 ha Buffer zone 78,676 ha Coordinates 20°33′12″N 75°42′01″E Ajanta Caves is located in IndiaAjanta Caves Location of Ajanta Caves in India Show map of India Show map of Maharashtra Show all

Cave 19, Ajanta, a 5th-century chaitya hall. They are universally regarded as masterpieces of Buddhist religious art. The caves were built in two phases, the first starting around the 2nd century BCE and the second occurring from 400 to 650 CE, according to older accounts, or in a brief period of 460–480 CE according to later scholarship.[6] The site is a protected monument in the care of the Archaeological Survey of India,[7] and since 1983, the Ajanta Caves have been a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

The Ajanta Caves constitute ancient monasteries and worship-halls of different Buddhist traditions carved into a 75-metre (246 ft) wall of rock.[8][9] The caves also present paintings depicting the past lives [10] and rebirths of the Buddha, pictorial tales from Aryasura's Jatakamala, and rock-cut sculptures of Buddhist deities.[8][11][12] Textual records suggest that these caves served as a monsoon retreat for monks, as well as a resting site for merchants and pilgrims in ancient India.[8] While vivid colours and mural wall-painting were abundant in Indian history as evidenced by historical records, Caves 16, 17, 1 and 2 of Ajanta form the largest corpus of surviving ancient Indian wall-painting.[13]

Panoramic view of Ajanta Caves from the nearby hill The Ajanta Caves are mentioned in the memoirs of several medieval-era Chinese Buddhist travellers to India and by a Mughal-era official of Akbar era in the early 17th century.[14] They were covered by jungle until accidentally "discovered" and brought to Western attention in 1819 by a colonial British officer Captain John Smith on a tiger-hunting party.[15] The caves are in the rocky northern wall of the U-shaped gorge of the river Waghur,[16] in the Deccan plateau.[17][18] Within the gorge are a number of waterfalls, audible from outside the caves when the river is high.[19]

With the Ellora Caves, Ajanta is one of the major tourist attractions of Maharashtra. It is about 6 kilometres (3.7 miles) from Fardapur, 59 kilometres (37 miles) from the city of Jalgaon, Maharashtra, India, 104 kilometres (65 miles) from the city of Aurangabad, and 350 kilometres (220 miles) east-northeast of Mumbai.[8][20] Ajanta is 100 kilometres (62 miles) from the Ellora Caves, which contain Hindu, Jain and Buddhist caves, the last dating from a period similar to Ajanta. The Ajanta style is also found in the Ellora Caves and other sites such as the Elephanta Caves, Aurangabad Caves, Shivleni Caves and the cave temples of Karnataka.[21]

History Edit 2409:4060:2017:5E8B:0:0:3BC:E0AC (talk) 09:00, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Ishwar sharan

@Josepherino Ishwar Sharan is a Hindu Monk and his opinions can't be taken as a fact. Please provide a quote from the second source to back the content you wrote because I can't find it. - SUN EYE 1 09:27, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

1. you cannot dismiss somebody's academic findings because of their profession, you literally cite a church website on that. either youre a halfwit or a hypocrite to say this

2. I added a few words and doubled the amount of sources in this article. perhaps you should do some reflection on the quality of your editing on here, considering you and the editors of this page have not sourced 95% of this page

3. I asked you to provide academic sources and you didn't provide a single one. I'm not sure if youre aware but wikipedia does not run on prejudice. you have to provide sources

4. you have already broken Wikipedia:Edit warring

and here's your quote, genius

"In the Mylapore district of Chennai, a monument was constructed over demolished temples in the sixteenth century to commemorate the martyrdom and supposed interment of St. Thomas the Apostle (d.72 CE)14. Mylapore, site of the sacred shrine of St. Thomas" Josepherino (talk) 09:36, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

You can remove any unreliable sources and I did not cite any church website. Opinions of anyone can't be added here, see WP:UNDUE. Stop the personal attacks please. You need to give attribution to the second source to the Portuguese as the notes in the same source says it. - SUN EYE 1 09:47, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, what I said is directly from a scholarly article, I don't think you understand the policy you cited. Heres the difference between the 1 single "source" provided in the first paragraph vs the sources I provide: mine are academic, make claims based in scholarship, and have value on here. The one "source" cited in the first paragraph is a literal tabloid. if you keep reverting my edits I'm going to take this to an administrative board. Josepherino (talk) 09:53, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Your first source is a opinion of a Hindu monk Ishwar Sharan who is not an academic. I have no problem if you remove unreliable church sites. - SUN EYE 1 09:58, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

can you provide a source that proves there is no academic legitimacy to his work? because right now it seems like youre just extremely religiously bigoted Josepherino (talk) 10:03, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

You were warned earlier for the personal attacks. The first source you added only provides the opinion of Ishwar Sharan. There are probably hundreds of opposing opinions by Christian religious heads for the same thing. We can't add everything here. Can you provide WP:RS for his academic qualifications. - SUN EYE 1 10:13, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Stop doing the question. he published a book, the sources I used are academic. can you provide a single academic source that proves that Ishwar Sharan is not a reliable source. Josepherino (talk) 10:16, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Anyone can publish a book, WP:SELFPUBLISH. Reliable sources are determined by community consensus. - SUN EYE 1 10:22, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

its not a self publish, and no amount of searching through WP is going to get you out of this. its an academic source. try and prove that it is not Josepherino (talk) 10:28, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

see citation 17 in the same page in the source. It points to his own book published by Voice of India - SUN EYE 1 10:33, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

So? Josepherino (talk) 10:38, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

You can't present someone's opinions as a fact especially one who is not an expert in the subject - SUN EYE 1 10:46, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

are you going to provide a single academic source to try and prove this guy is illegitimate or not Josepherino (talk) 10:57, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

That's not how Wikipedia works. - SUN EYE 1 11:03, 5 August 2022 (UTC)