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Q1:Why isn't there any information on the various historical inaccuracies on this program?

A1:For two reasons: One is that this show, although loosely based on real events, is a work of a fiction. Everything you see on the program is made up or at best speculative. Secondly, there are no reliable sources that have discussed these inaccuracies. Comparing the program to the historical record and arriving at our own conclusions about the accuracy of the show would constitute original research, which is not permitted in Wikipedia articles. You can see several discussions of these topics in the archives of this talk page.

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Sparticus: Vengeance

How do we hand the claims of a name change for season 2? A single article called "Sparticus (TV series)" or an article for each season? 203.35.135.133 (talk) 05:33, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I notice Netflix has consolidated its listing under one title, but I don't see any pressing need for us to follow suit as yet, if we can't maintain a separate article for each season they could be combined however. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:17, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Netflix has done this consolidation for all of their tv shows (i.e. all seasons are under just the one show title now). I'm not sure how that really impacts anything for our purposes but I thought I'd point it out in case it does inspire someone to follow suit with the articles related to this series. Millahnna (talk) 02:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to be enough evidence that Season 2 is "Sparticus: Vengeance". Should we start reflecting that? 203.35.135.133 (talk) 09:58, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Let's name this article Spartacus (TV series). 24.164.151.158 (talk) 00:03, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Since we already have stand-alone articles for each season of the show, would it not make more sense to create a new article at that title, said article being an overview of the entire show, keeping the more detailed information in the article's for each season? Spartacus (TV series) is just a redirect to this page, anyone can start a new article there at anytime, using relevant content from the already existing pages to get started. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:09, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Plot?

The entire first season has aired and completed. Shouldn't there be a plot overview section similar to that or Rome (TV series)?--Amadscientist (talk) 21:30, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and there used to be one. Looking through the article history I see an IP replaced it with vandalism and another IP just removed the vandalism, not restoring the plot, and apparently no-one noticed. I've restored it. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 21:56, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rename

Rename the article to Spartacus (TV series), as the "Blood and Sand," "Gods of the Arena" and "Vengeance" are the names of the seasons. Obi Dan Kenobi (talk) 19:48, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We already have a separate article on Gods of the Arena, so it may make more sense to have another one for Vengeance. Either that or we should merge all three here. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:52, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I was personally very confused when looking on IMDB, which has 3 separate listings - leading me to believe that there were 2/3 separate series. I had to come here to figure out which one was the knock-off. The thing is that I needed to look at/jump around 3 articles to figure out that they were all related - one should be able to discern this from either the article title or within the first 2 sentences of any one. I would suggest to merge into "Spartacus (TV Series)", and when listing the seasons to subtitle them with their respective titles. This is the way most series are listed, I believe. Otherwise, the series seems disjointed. Having said that, I did find out more about the series and its history/sequence by being forced to read more than just a title and introduction - took more time but was more educational and rewarding. Submachine0 (talk) 08:05, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree with the original sentiment here. The official Starz page for the series is simply for "Spartacus". Seems to me that the best (and really, ONLY) way to proceed is to consolidate BaS/GotA/Vengeance under Spartacus (TV series). I may just go ahead and do this myself in the next few days per Wikipedia's "Be bold!" suggestion. DigiFluid (talk) 05:17, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree; the series should be considered one entity (Spartacus (TV series)) with each season possessing a subtitle (much like Babylon 5 did). The separate articles should be merged.Catiline63 (talk) 05:54, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like someone beat me to doing the episodes and characters pages, but I just took care of this for the main page. I've consolidated the relevant information from the GotA and Vengeance pages into the old BaS page (which is what we have now) and changed the old links into redirects to this article. I think we can still clean it up quite a bit, but consolidating certainly simplifies that job.

And, in case anyone was wondering, the cast and characters section is divided into Romans/slaves, and then sorted by actor surname. This was as much for ease of editing as anything else, but I'm open to suggestions for fixing it up. DigiFluid (talk) 22:26, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry to see the various articles moved into one, though I admit it might be the best decision unless the articles can be expanded further. Many TV series on Wikipedia have separate articles for separate seasons... the same could apply to Spartacus. If there is no interested in expanding the articles with greater detail, one article might work, otherwise the merges should be reverted. --Another Believer _(Talk) 05:40, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's a single TV series, following a single set of characters, on a set (general) sequence of events, that just happens to have a different subtitle for each season (a la Babylon 5, as mentioned above). Honestly I can't wrap my head around why it was ever three articles in the first place, there simply isn't any real justification for it. Particularly when (as you may or may not have noticed in the conversation above) the show's official website refers to it as, simply, Spartacus. To describe the way it was set up before yesterday's revision as "sloppy and disorganized" would be a colossal understatement. Really, the day that it was announced that both the prequel and the second season would have different subtitles is the day this move should have happened. But as you say, there doesn't seem to be an overwhelming amount of interest in editing this page, so it didn't get done till yesterday. I also hasten to point out that no information was lost in this move. In order to create the new page, I simply copied and pasted out of the separate pages and consolidated into one, with just some minor organizational edits to clean it up a bit. DigiFluid (talk) 13:53, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. My point was simply that IF the Spartacus articles are expanded and the need arises to have separate articles for the various seasons, the Gods of the Arena and Vengeance articles should be resurrected and moved to "Spartacus (season 2)", for example, or even keep the subtitles. I think that IF there is enough interest to expand the plot, characters descriptions, production information, critical reception, ratings, etc. for individual season, then yes, separate articles would be appropriate. --Another Believer _(Talk) 16:10, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think we're generally in agreement here. The only thing is, I think that the pages as they were (Spartacus: Blood and Sand, Spartacus: Gods of the Arena, Spartacus: Vengeance) ought to remain as redirects to the main series article here. Should it arise that we're going to have sub-pages for each season, I think something like "Spartacus (season 1)" would be the most appropriate (nomenclature) way to go. And then from there, write it as though it's a season page, rather than how on the pages before they were treated as though they were their own separate series. But at any rate, this all hinges on two factors: 1) editor interest in doing so; and 2) quantity of material available for writing about specific seasons. Not that the internet is running out of space or anything (heh), it just seems to me that a detailed single article is better than one general article and three stubs. DigiFluid (talk) 16:36, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. I just hope that if season articles are created, the original articles (Gods of the Arena, Vengeance, etc.) are moved; there is no reason to create new articles. Given the show's cult following I am surprised there is no editor or group of contributors willing to "take on" the series. --Another Believer _(Talk) 16:17, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Post-move cleanup

No time like the present to get the ball rolling on clean-up....so some things that I've identified that I think need cleaning up. I can look into it a lot over the next couple weeks, but since Wikipedia is collaborative and I'm not going to do much else with it today I thought I'd point out what I think needs work:

the infobox picture probably ought to be kept up to date with the most current intertitle
the diversity of season subtitles probably bears mentioning in the introductory paragraphs
I'm not really thrilled with how I've laid out the Plot subsections...too much : and - but I don't know whether that'd be better to re-sort chronologically, or if it should stay arranged in production order as it is currently
the bit about the motion comic sucks. From what I gather, it was a comic BEFORE the show started, and adapted to a motion comic afterward, but I can't seem to find out when. The text now kind of conflates the two, and isn't very clear about either
Cast and Characters section....this is a show with quite a few characters, whose importance rises and falls sometimes even with an episode or two. I can't think of a great way to sort it; at the moment it's just actor surname alphabetical

DigiFluid (talk) 22:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

accuracy

Please see the archives for previous discussions on why there is no such section in this article. What is needed is not a source about ancient Rome that we will compare with the show, that would be original research. What would be needed is a source that specifically discusses inaccuracies in this show. As far as anypne was able to tell last time this was discussed, such sources do not exist. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:09, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, wait, the archives, along witht the FAQ page which contained information about this exact issue, were orphaned whent the page was moved. Hold on... Beeblebrox (talk) 16:16, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. As you can see, this was already discussed at some length, so it would be best if such content was not added back in without seeking consensus first. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:33, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, good to see you resolved your argument with yourself :p Seriously though, a good catch and nice fix. DigiFluid (talk) 18:47, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not a redirect

As with a number of television shows that have multiple seasons wherein a detailed plot is included, it's customary to include an abbreviated summary of a season in an overarching series page in the plot section. As Spartacus subtitles each season containing major plot points within separate seasons, it's equally appropriate to do it here. I've restored the single season page. Pejorative.majeure (talk) 02:53, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think separate articles should exist for individual seasons. --Another Believer _(Talk) 16:15, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Illythia death

Confirmed in interview with DeKnight: http://tvline.com/2012/03/30/spartacus-vengeance-finale-spoilers-deaths/

I've been the one backing this edit out every time someone puts it in, but now that we have confirmation to the contrary.... DigiFluid (talk) 07:09, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Spartacus: Blood in the Sand

So I just saw a commercial for Spartacus (I assume, but can't confirm it's actually this series) on Sky(? I don't know British channels), where they referred to the series in text on screen and in speech as "Spartacus: Blood in the Sand". Not sure if this is was just horrific mistake that seems unthinkable to be doing two years after the show debuted, or if the series actually has an alternative title in the UK. But the ad aired today on SkySports(? again) just after the Arsenal v Wigan game. -24.226.52.128 (talk) 21:13, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move. Cúchullain ^t/c 14:50, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Spartacus (2010 TV series) → Spartacus (TV series) – The is the only show named Spartacus. I don't see why it's named 2010 TV series. 68.44.51.49 (talk) 13:23, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose - True, this is the only series with constant seasons. Nevertheless, there is Spartacus (TV miniseries), just as Doctor Zhivago (TV serial) is a miniseries, and Perfect Strangers (UK TV series) is a miniseries. --George Ho (talk) 01:40, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – This Spartacus is not a miniseries; it's an actual and only television series. That's why I want it moved. A miniseries and a series have a difference; a series is planned to keep running. Oh, by the way, all those other miniseries you listed are not miniseries. 68.44.51.49 (talk) 02:06, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support The article is about the (so far) three series Spartacus: Blood and Sand, Spartacus: Gods of the Arena and Spartacus: Vengeance, so incorrect with the current name; it started in 2010 but currently has three seasons running to 2012. Zarcadia (talk) 09:03, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Order of Series

The various series (BaS, GotA, V, WotD) each have sections here, but they are not presented in canonical order. I realize that they are in chronological order, but as this is a TV series, not a history page, I believe that the first two should be reversed so that they are in the order they were originally presented. If the argument for chronological order is made, just think what that would do to shows like Doctor Who. Peel (talk) 23:23, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

New (2025?) series.

Request: there should be a reference to, and link to an article on the new series, being shot now in Auckland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael Hodgson (talk • contribs) 09:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]