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Merge

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To not merge on the grounds that these are distinct breed with a similar name. Klbrain (talk) 08:06, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm proposing a merge of this article into the Barb horse article. Basically, it's a content fork. If there's an argument to be made that this is actually an indigenous American breed, then I suggest merging instead to Spanish Mustang. I think what we have here is basically a Colonial Spanish subtype with an independent registry. Montanabw^(talk) 21:44, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Aargh, didn't see this – I started a discussion at Talk:Barb horse (talk-page of the destination page, as usual). Anyway, I suggest redirecting it to Colonial Spanish Horse, seems to be what it's about. There isn't really anything to merge – the whole history section is just generic content about horses in the USA. Neither of the sources cited in it appears to mention "Spanish Barb"; in the case of the book from 1952 this is scarcely surprising, as – according to unreferenced material previously in the page – the name was first used in 1972.

Two sources in the page may be useful there or somewhere; neither of them mentions a "Spanish Barb", but both are interesting to read and relevant to Spanish-type horses in the USA. They are:

Cortés, O.; Dunner, S.; Gama, L. T.; Martínez, A. M.; Delgado, J. V.; Ginja, C.; Jiménez, L. M.; Jordana, J.; Luis, C. (August 2017). "The legacy of Columbus in American horse populations assessed by microsatellite markers". Journal of Animal Breeding and Genetics = Zeitschrift Fur Tierzuchtung und Zuchtungsbiologie. 134 (4): 340–350. doi:10.1111/jbg.12255. ISSN 1439-0388. PMID 28194814.

Royo, L. J.; Alvarez, I.; Beja-Pereira, A.; Molina, A.; Fernández, I.; Jordana, J.; Gómez, E.; Gutiérrez, J. P.; Goyache, F. (November 2005). "The origins of Iberian horses assessed via mitochondrial DNA". The Journal of Heredity. 96 (6): 663–669. doi:10.1093/jhered/esi116. ISSN 0022-1503. PMID 16251517.

I have copies of both, which I can mail to anyone interested. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:09, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You have my email, Justlettersandnumbers, go ahead and send them to me. Take a look at the Spanish Colonial Horse article; it's more an overview of the many breeds that fit into this breed group. My take is if Sponenberg and the group that determines if a breed is endangered or not list it, then it's a yes as an independent stand-alone. If not, then it's more likely to be a content fork of something else. JMO. Montanabw^(talk) 21:13, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

On their way! As for the merge: the Livestock Conservancy (which in the USA is the group that determines if something is endangered, since the FAO just evaluates the data reported and the USDA doesn't report any) is the source I'm most inclined to trust on what is and what is not a Colonial Spanish Horse, and this isn't among those that they list. But our article already lists a lot that they don't, so adding this is a possibility – assuming I'm foolhardy enough to set foot on the blood-stained sand of that arena. Otherwise I'm perfectly content for it to be merged to List of North American horse breeds. Your thoughts? Oh, there's one other possibility which I think I've mentioned before: to start Minor horse breeds of the United States, which would be a home for all the Moyles and Tigers and Desert Normans and so on that exist only because the breeder or a registry says that they do, a brief paragraph on each. Again, what are your thoughts?

I'm trying to assemble some sources to improve the Barb page. It's quite complicated, a large group of breeds, some of which I already seem to have made pages for, and some of which I've never even heard of. I don't know how soon I will get to it. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:00, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Justlettersandnumbers and Montanabw: Are we any further forward with tracking down the relevant information? Otherwise, this year discussion, stale for a year, looks like having no consensus for any particular action. Klbrain (talk) 05:54, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

These are two totally different breeds. The Barb is an ancient breed from North Africa, the Spanish Barb is American-developed, with a relatively new breed registry. No merge. Montanabw^(talk) 18:27, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.