Talk:Sovereigntism

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Merge proposal

This merge proposal was made back in April, yet there has been no discussion of the matter whatsoever, either here or at the Souverainism article.

My suggestion would be that the Quebec/France section be merged to the Souverainism article, especially considering how short the Quebec section of that article is at this time. The United States section, describing the new, and altogether different concept, should then be merged to the American exceptionalism article, under a new section entitled "contemporary exceptionalism" or something to that effect. Any thoughts? ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 18:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I would make this a disamgibuation page, then move all Quebec-related info to Quebec sovereignty movement; all France-related info to Souverainism, and all US-related info to American sovereignitism or some such, and give each a link to the disambig page. Kevlar67 (talk) 18:37, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My only (and slight) objection to that would be creating a new article for "American sovereignitism." I still believe that part should be merged into American exceptionalism, since it is really an extension of that philosophy. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 04:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please see my comments at Talk:Souverainism, and note comment there about Swiss usage, which is why I added WP:Switzerland above.Skookum1 (talk) 14:54, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also please see Talk:2008_Canadian_parliamentary_dispute#Sovereigntist_vs_Separatist Skookum1 (talk) 14:54, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

HongKong and Chinese sovereignty

Just to note I remember the term "sovereignty" being a large part of discussions on the status of HongKong, both before and fter the "hand-over". Skookum1 (talk) 15:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aborigianl sovereignty

Sovereignty is also a big issue for First Nations politicians, and some Native American nations. the term "sovereigntist" has not yet - I don't think - surfaced in FAn/NA politics though.Skookum1 (talk) 15:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move done Fences&Windows 19:31, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sovereigntist → Sovereigntism — This proposal is to be consistent with the rest of the theories category.Greg Bard (talk) 02:30, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Split

The article discusses entirely separate theories that happen to share a name. Wikipedia articles discuss single topics, so this needs to be split. Fences&Windows 19:31, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Scratch that, I've turned it into a disambiguation page, as it was a glorified disambiguation page anyway. Fences&Windows 19:40, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge of talk discussions from Souverainism talk page

The following talk discussions were copied from the Souverainism talk page. J JMesserly (talk) 01:56, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Souverainism only French?

Just a comment, the souverainism is an expression also used by Swiss for the UDC. Pixeltoo 11:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, so it also seems unnecessarily narrow for this to be part of the France portal. Although the term is of French origin, like laissez-faire or coup d'etat, it's now a general political term that can be applied to such a movement in any country. RCTodd (talk) 12:40, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

English: Sovereigntism

I've added links to sovereigntist and sovereignty-association, which are important terms in Canada, where we also have "Sovereigntism", which I'll add in blod-face to the opening as the French form of hte word is not used in CAnadian English. There is no French interwiki at the sovereigntist article and I'm not sure it should be directed to the French version of this article; and at the French version of this article, there is no room to direct it to the sovereigntist article. Also please note the addition of the usage in PM Harper's speech on Wednesday evening; any number of news outlets may be used for the citation if needed.Skookum1 (talk) 14:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC

Also please see Talk:2008_Canadian_parliamentary_dispute#Sovereigntist_vs_Separatist and note existing discussion re merge at Talk:Sovereigntist Skookum1 (talk) 14:56, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

European Souverainism

European Souverainism is described in a wrong way, as calling for a confederal Europe. Souverainist parties want their countries to leave the EU, so this phrase has no-sense. Italian Lega Nord is both a federalist and a souverainist party, so also opposing federalism to souverainism is wrong. I'm not informed enough about that, but I think that Syriza and the other Greek left party are not souverainist, while the Hungarian Fidesz, the Polish PiS, the British UKIP, the Austrian FPÖ and the Democrats of Sweden should be included for sure. The page can be improved translating the Italian or French Wikipedia. --87.21.234.253 (talk) 10:19, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt there is a real need to define "European souverainism", let alone adopt "souverainism" as a meaningful ideology regarding the EU when we already have "Euroscepticism", "national conservatism", etc. Some Italian journalists and politicians have started to use sovranismo, as well as German ones Souveränismus, but there is no need to import terms when the aforementioned ideologies are already available. The term comes from French souverainisme and has been used mainly in Canada regarding the Quebec independence movement and, more recently, in France regarding Eurosceptic, mostly Gaullist parties and/or attitudes. All this is worth of mention, but let's not exaggerate the importance/circulation of the term, let alone talk of "European souverainism". --Checco (talk) 11:09, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sovereigntism is by far the dominantly used term excepting perhaps French speaking political contexts

Wikipedia's naming guidelines state that the title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject that is most common in the English language. It is true that Souverainism is used often in the context of articles on France or French speaking populations in Canada. However in political science journals and books, the ideology of sovereignty as a global phenomenon outside of those contexts is almost universally referred to as Sovereigntism. As an empirical measure, the number of hits in Scholar.google.com shows 1070 for the anglicized term, and 100 for the french form. For this reason it makes sense to adjust the title of the article accordingly in the coming weeks.J JMesserly (talk) 02:42, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed JustAPoliticsNerd (talk) 01:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Section About Europe of Sovereign Nations or Patriots For Europe?

Since we have not one but two new European Parliamentary groups on the right which call themselves, and are commonly referred to as, sovereigntist, it seems a section under "Europe" should talk about European parliament and reference the more moderate Patriots for Europe and the more radical Europe of Sovereign Nations. JustAPoliticsNerd (talk) 01:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]