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Ashley Fox

Is the third on the Conser4vative list Ashley Peter FOX the Bristol City Councillor? ([1]) Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 18:39, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

oh yes - here's his blog [2]Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 18:43, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

name incorrect

It s named 'South West England and Gibraltar'. 03:25, 15 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.49.136.87 (talk)

Avon

Avon no longer exists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.123.182 (talk) 23:26, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Christians

Is the list of party lists really correct? i.e. the Christian Party is standing twice in the same election, once on its own and once in coalition with the CPA? ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.125.185 (talk) 21:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks to the Editors who have provided the results of the 4 June Election Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 10:07, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Population

The South West England page gives the population as 4,928,458 (not including Gibraltar) not the 3,998,479 given on this page. Is it a mistake or something else? --Abc26324 (talk) 07:57, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's the electorate population. PS all the references about Julie Girling should go on the article Julie Girling and not on this page. Jolly Ω Janner 14:21, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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South West England (European Parliament constituency) → South West Region (European Parliament constituency) – It's officially 'South West'[3][4] or 'South West Region'[5][6][7][8][9] and of the European constituency articles this is the only one where part of the region (Gibraltar) is not included in the article name. Celia Homeford (talk) 13:15, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - current name offers clarity, and means the article is recognisably about an English constituency and not one elsewhere in the EU. It is also consistent with similarly named English and Italian EU constituencies (see Template:European Parliament constituencies 2019–24), as per WP:CRITERIA. Without the country, they would become ambiguous and confusing titles, which is the opposite of their purpose (regardless of their official name). Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 15:16, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is no inconsistency. We have Midlands–North-West (European Parliament constituency), North-West (European Parliament constituency) and South (European Parliament constituency). Celia Homeford (talk) 07:10, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The proposed new title would create ambiguity. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:38, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguity with what? The suggested target is a red link. There are no other South West constituencies. We could even have South West (European Parliament constituency) or South West (constituency) as more concise unambiguous terms. Celia Homeford (talk) 07:10, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your proposal does not reduce the length of the title by even one character, but it does reduce precision. Why on earth do you want to do that? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:18, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

These two proposals reduce the title by 8 characters and 28 characters respectively. See Wikipedia:Article titles#Precision: 'titles should unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but should be no more precise than that.' These titles are unambiguous and therefore should be selected over unnecessarily longer ones. Even the suggested target which is only one character less than the current one [and, yes 'Region' is one less character than 'England'], is no more or less precise than the present one. They can both only refer to one topic and one topic only. There are no other European Parliament constituencies with the name South West Region. Celia Homeford (talk) 10:45, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The claim that "South West Region" is no less precise than "South West England" is the sort of utter nonsense that sometimes make me think that Wikipedia is a doomed social experiment which will self-destruct because it has gives a license to some people to play games for their own amusement.

I try to keep my faith in the project as a whole by reassuring myself that such nonsense usually doesn't prevail ... but it is a form of organisational madness that allows time to be wasted by debates in which purveyors of such absurdities are not simply shown the door. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:48, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think the people who should be 'shown the door' are those who are unnecessarily rude and aggressive. I'm not playing games for my own amusement or purveying an absurdity. You have confused recognisability with precision but they are different criteria at Wikipedia:Article titles. Note that I didn't argue with Gaia's comment about recognisability because that was a valid comment that understands that criterion, but precision within the meaning of the guideline doesn't mean what you think it means. All four names are as precise as each other because they all refer and can only refer to one thing. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:29, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support Given the existence of articles like Midlands–North-West (European Parliament constituency), North-West (European Parliament constituency) and South (European Parliament constituency), arguments about ambiguity fall flat. Number 5 7 11:31, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The present title more clearly defines the subject. Both South West England and South West are used in RS coverage ([10], [11]). Ralbegen (talk) 21:11, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The area of the UK we are dealing with here is South West England. The use of "region" is not usual, not natural, not backed by sources over the entire period of the Euro elections. What might be used in some contexts recently is not what is used over time. Changing would also cause unnecessary disruption and confusion over many pages across the project. We also have to think how users actually search for things, and England will trump region every time. doktorb _words^deeds 02:39, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gibraltar isn't in England. There are at least 7 sources over the entire period of the constituency's existence (from 2003 to date) linked in this discussion. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:29, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - The official name of the region is South West England. Changing to South West Region, is patently confusing. It could mean any country in the European union from Poland to Latvia to Spain or Romania. The clarifier of England is essential in avoiding unnecessary confusion and retaining consistency among other UK regions for the European Parliament. This is distinction is being asked for to solve an issue which does not exist. 2.25.207.66 (talk) 08:40, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't the official name, and I've provided citations to prove it. Celia Homeford (talk) 08:44, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I propose this be closed under WP:Snowball. There is little appetite for this change to be made, this proposal is not going to gain consensus to be made and should not be taking up any more of anyone time unnecessarily. It is clear the consensus is to oppose this change. 2.25.207.66 (talk) 19:45, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It's been open long enough and consensus is clearly Oppose. doktorb _words^deeds 19:51, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]