Talk:South Lake Union Streetcar

Ridership Statistics

The APTA reports have shifted towards a combined Unlinked Passenger Trips number since the 2017 report, which combines the First Hill Streetcar ridership with that of South Lake Union's. The 2017 year-end report has 1,417,507 as the total between the 2 lines. The KPMG review has separate numbers for the two lines, 572,819 for the SLU line in 2017 and 518,218 in 2016. That appears to be the best way we have to separate the two lines for 2017 data and I intend to include that for now with a link to the report (admittedly a secondary source). If separate data comes out from APTA, maybe it can be changed. Jwfowble (talk) 06:33, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

I'd rather wait for an updated version of the SDOT Streetcar Report, which should include daily ridership, than include the (disputed) KPMG report. Outside consultants might not have a complete dataset. SounderBruce 07:03, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

OK, then if you'd rather use the updated SDOT streetcar report I'm fine with that source. It's this document http://herbold.seattle.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/November-2018-Semi-Annual-Streetcar-Report.pdf and has 2017 ridership of 534,763 but, again, no average daily ridership. Only the aggregate report from APTA has that and the city is now reporting only SLU+FH combined data to APTA, so it doesn't contain SLU-only data. Jwfowble (talk) 07:41, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:South Lake Union Streetcar/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Ceranthor (talk · contribs) 17:16, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

I'll review this (for the WikiCup). ceranthor 17:16, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

@Ceranthor: I don't mean to rush you, but I'm hoping to get this read in time for an April Fool's Day DYK. It should be fine if the GAN passes within the next two weeks, but just in case I wanted to let you know. SounderBruce 02:44, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: Thanks for the heads up. Was planning to get to it today or tomorrow. :) ceranthor 13:06, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Prose

Lead

• "It travels 1.3-mile (2.1 km)" - grammar; seems like a {{cvt}} error; rm the |Adj=on
  • Fixed.

History

• "The first electric streetcar to run along Westlake Avenue was built by the Seattle Electric Railway and Power Company in October 1890, taking five days" - five days to run from where to where, though?
  • Fixed. That would be one slow ride, though.
• "and earning the city government's first streetcar franchise.[2] " - not sure "earning" works here
  • Changed to "company was awarded"
• "Streetcar service in Seattle would resume in 1982 with the opening of the Waterfront Streetcar line along Alaskan Way, but it ceased operations in 2005.[4][6]" - the antecedent to "it" here is unclear; service or the streetcar line? Should clarify.
  • Changed to "line"
• "After the Seattle Commons plan was rejected by voters in 1996, " - how so? In a referendum?
  • Added referendum and years
• "bio-medical research " - a nitpick, but don't think this should be hyphenated
  • Removed.
• "The streetcar line is officially named the South Lake Union Streetcar, but is also known by a popular moniker—the South Lake Union Trolley (abbreviated as "SLUT"), which is used on merchandise sold by local businesses.[35] " - nitpick perhaps, but think you should add "it" between "but" and "is" if you are going to keep the comma after "Streetcar" here
  • Done.
• "The streetcar was criticized for its slow speeds due to the lack of dedicated lanes and the lack of transit signal priority, which was reduced after the start of construction on Mercer Street in 2009.[4][45] " - what was reduced? As a lay reader, I'm confused by this sentence
  • The signal priority was removed (giving no time advantage to streetcars). I tried to make it more clear by re-arranging the last part of the sentence.
• "allowing trains to arrive every 10 minutes all day on weekdays.[56] " - what does "all day" refer to, exactly? 24 hours?
  • Changed to mention mid-day hours, where the frequency boost was most apparent.
• "The First Hill line generally runs south from Capitol Hill station to Yesler Terrace on Broadway and west on South Jackson Street to the International District and Pioneer Square, leaving a gap in downtown between the two streetcar lines.[72][73]" - "gap in downtown?"
  • It's explained in the next paragraph. The two lines are separated by a dozen or so blocks in downtown.

Route

• The title of this section seems smushed by the image above it on the left.
  • I think it looks fine, but I've reversed the order of the images.

Service and operations

• "Ridership has declined since 2014, in part due to schedule unreliability and the introduction of increased bus service along the Westlake Avenue corridor in 2016.[59][108]" - any numbers of the details of decline?
  • Added a number from the table.

References

• Earwig's tool seems to check out.
• I'd remove the redlink for Seattle Magazine for consistency, since it looks like you haven't linked other sources that don't have articles
  • I plan to write an entry for the magazine at some point, so I'd rather keep the link.
• Link Seattle Department of Transportation at first mention in refs
  • Done.
• Link Puget Sound Business Journal at first mention in refs
  • Done.
• Link GeekWire at first mention in refs
  • Already done for Ref 88
• Link Seattle Streetcar at first mention in refs
  • Done.
• Link American Public Transportation Association at first mention in refs
  • Already done for Ref 1

Images

• File:Seattle Streetcar 301 leaving Pacific Place Station.jpg - checks out
• File:South Lake Union Streetcar Inaugural, Mayor Greg Nickels.jpg - checks out; maybe make it a bit larger? hard to see
• As mentioned above, the streetcar map pushes out the title for the route section
• File:South Lake Union Streetcar 2nd Inaugural Trip.jpg - checks out; make it bigger for visibility
  • At the default size, I think the image looks fine for most browsers. I'm wary of setting specific sizes for normal images, as MOS:IMAGES is a mess.
• File:South Lake Union Streetcar 303 at Denny Way.jpg - checks out
• File:Inside South Lake Union Streetcar 302.JPG - checks out
• File:Seattle SLU Streetcar maintenance facility with car 302 pulling out.jpg - checks out

Good work here. Mostly prose nitpicks above. ceranthor 16:08, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

@Ceranthor: Thanks for the review. I've answered to all of your comments above. SounderBruce 17:43, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: Great. Going to pass this then. ceranthor 18:36, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Main page appearance

This is to let people know that this article has been scheduled as today's featured article for December 12, 2019, and specifically paging the FAC nominator(s), SounderBruce. It would be good if someone checked that the article needs no amendments. The main page blurb text can be viewed and edited at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/December 12, 2019.—Wehwalt (talk) 21:13, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Congrats! What a fantastic article. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:21, 12 December 2019 (UTC)