Talk:Smart highway

Intelligent transportation system

I wonder how much of this overlaps with, or maybe should be merged into, Intelligent transportation system. Imzadi 1979 → 06:03, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

There probably is a lot of overlap. The main distinction is probably that that article mostly deals with telecoms systems. This one mostly deals with the physical roadway. filceolaire (talk) 21:55, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

My recent changes

Gidonb I put the sequence back the way it was before

• First the pavement which has actually been installed
• next the dutch scheme which has a site picked out and the funds in place and a plan to implement this year (according to their facebook page)
• then Solar Roads which are still at kickstarter stage

I think this is a more logical sequence than the way you put it. OK? filceolaire (talk) 02:02, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

From what I can see, you combined my version with another version. I have no objection. gidonb (talk) 02:09, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

3D Printer

Is there a road 3D printer? (in a similar way to Building 3D printer)?.- --Lagoset (talk) 12:09, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Dutch trial

"Engineers in the Netherlands say energy-generating road surface is more successful than expected, six months into trial." [1] -- GreenC 01:44, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

NPOV dispute - "Photovoltaic pavement", "Frost protection and melting snow, ice" sections

While I realize that the Solar Roadways company is more or less the public face of photovoltaic pavement, there are sections of this article that exhibit significant biases in favor of the specific company. The Smart_highway#Photovoltaic_pavement section in particular is almost exclusively focused on the company's particular implementation. To a degree, that's natural since there are only a few proofs-of-concept out there. That said, the article would be improved by focusing more on the general concept of the technology rather than any one particular implementation.

As for the Frost protection section, there are three noticeable issues. First, it reads like an editorial or copy/paste job from their marketing site, especially in the economic impact section. Second, snowmelt systems are neither an inherent part of smart highway concepts nor did they originate with the concepts or "Solar Roadways" in particular. There's already a more appropriate article, Snowmelt_system, that covers the subject in depth. Finally, the benefits listed are an absolute mess. The section lists all sorts of societal costs resulting from winter precipitation, and suggests that those costs are reduced by snowmelt systems, implicitly including "Solar Roadways" without once trying to quantify the costs of such a system. At best, it's an intellectually dishonest approach. This paper is a good example of an overview of implemented snowmelt systems in the US that touches on the difficulties of such systems.

When I have a bit more time, I'd like to clean up some of the article and either delete the "Frost proection and melting snow, ice" section altogether or substantially reduce it to something along the lines of "...some smart highway concepts propose the incorporation of snowmelt systems" and link to the appropriate article.

Bluestrike22 (talk) 18:12, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

I agree. These sections look like an outright advertisement.

Hededrk (talk) 20:13, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

The whole article appears to have been hijacked as a soap piece for this company. Time to end this. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 11:13, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Bankset

https://www.smartrailworld.com/solar-panelled-tracks-renewable-plan-support-the-world-future-energy-demands

about 100 references for this product the solar road or solar rails track competant editors welcome will be pathetic or missleading not to mention Bankset considering that they invented the system and idea for solar roads and tracks based on registered patents

Bankset findings is that a solar road is not possible at present time and only the solar road rails track is possible and approved for safety technical and economical reasons Bankset is a proven product.

the solar road made by the Segolene Royal great jocke she invented this no she spied on the Swiss for her own subvention,. Bankset tested the product one single ride with a trunck the entire road was caput in a day.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.149.172.246 (talk) 17:18, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't care when a company says its products are the greatest and only viable ones. We do care what reliable third-party sources have reported (more on that in a moment). We also care about undeclared paid editing (and it's obvious that you're doing that), spam and hijacking one article and turning it into a coatrack that holds lots of unrelated content. The next step will be a rangeblock to stop the entire IP range, with escalating duration.

The sources, despite your claim, are not "excellent". They fall into three categories:

1. Utterly unreliable ones. Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, Flickr? Yeah, right. Funny how it wasn't mentioned that the Reddit commenters panned the idea.
2. Sources solely based on what the company says, prominent among them PV Magazine in its various incarnations. One of the better ones of those ended with the line: "whether or not it is really like the British company said, we will wait and see!" Indeed we will, until there's truly independent coverage, not just a rehashed press release.
3. Sources that uncritically reprint the sources of type 2.

Furthermore, even those bad sources didn't support the content added to this article (even if it hadn't been off-topic in the first place). Chinese and French spies? Citation needed. Other parts of the content are self-contradictory or contradicted by the cited sources. "In 2017 Bankset opened its first industrial assembly construction manufacturing plant in Shenzhen China with capacity to 100Mw production per year and plans to upgrade the factory to 600Mw per year in 2022"? Then how, exactly, do they plan to finish installing 2GW of photovoltaics on rail tracks in Saxony by 2022?

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I DONT SEE ANY NUMBERS FROM THE PV MAGAZINE ARTICLE AS ABOVE HUON IS WRONG FOR MOST OF IT LOOKING AT ALL THE ARTICLES https://www.cleanthinking.de/bankset-energy-bahnschwellen-energie/ http://www.sonnenseite.com/en/energy/bankset-energy-announces-gw-scale-plans-for-solar-railways-the-world-over.html News is about the first solar panels ever installed on the rails way line for the facts and information here.?!? The idea is captivating: Bankset Energy, a company that invests in large projects with renewable energies, has been developing a technology to cover railway sleepers with photovoltaic modules since 2013. The plans of the company around Patrck Buri are ambitious: After initial installations in Switzerland, projects in many other countries are soon to follow, reports pv magazine. https://www.energate-messenger.ch/news/186811/solarmodule-an-schweizer-bahnschwellen wondering if we can find update about this project since 2018 / 2019 ? --95.248.107.78 (talk) 21:10, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

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In summary, we have a company that throws around huge numbers but doesn't have any reliable third-party coverage. They apparently want to raise EUR 300 million in investor money, quite an incentive to promote their system and its supposedly demonstrated efficiency on Wikipedia. We have a campaign of more than a decade (compare Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick Buri) to add this spam. Maybe we should tell some news organization about this and let them do some truly investigative journalism; it might be interesting to see what they would end up with. Huon (talk) 19:59, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Public records are fun: Companies House. Apparently the address given on the company website has been outdated for more than a year, the capital is GBP 1 million, and the sole shareholder (as of 2016) is Mr Buri. Bankset Energy Ltd. is "dormant". Bankset Investments Ltd., also mentioned in the PV Magazine "news article", is dissolved since 2005. Huon (talk) 21:02, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

In summary we have a guy at Wikipedia sending wrong information , is a private company based in the USA since 1998 and Singapore or Ireland...with more than 1000 articles references news world wide for sun rails all over the specialist news in Europe and Asia .!

• http://bankset.com/contact-us.html
• https://www.sonnenseite.com/en/energy/bankset-energy-announces-gw-scale-plans-for-solar-railways-the-world-over.html

--79.44.246.129 (talk) 10:47, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

--95.248.107.78 (talk) 19:44, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

The above jumble of web links (now in the collapsed box) is not the slightest bit helpful. Please state what you feel should be in the article and provide one or two sources that support it that qualify as a reliable source. HopsonRoad (talk) 22:28, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

this colapse box is not working in our browser , as it colapses one can see the ip address only and not relevant links for the information on this Bankset system trial described here with --95.248.107.78 (talk) 19:59, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

this Bankset section and discussion is baseless and not useful at all in this section for Smart highway , and must be re edited in the train rails way context, the entire article here for smart highway must be re edited and this conversation here removed since irrelevant

--95.248.107.78 (talk) 20:09, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

the Bankset information might be more suitable in the following sections and or create a new article for "smart railways" or "rail innovation" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_electrification_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_electric_traction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maglev https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Trains rail innovation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.248.107.78 (talk) 04:22, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/bankset-kommt-der-sonnenstrom-der-zukunft-vom-bahngleis-a-b1d5885c-0002-0001-0000-000178959727 --82.60.185.241 (talk) 14:32, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for supplying reliable sources regarding using solar collection in railway beds. However, they are not germane to this article on smart highways. Sincerely, HopsonRoad (talk) 15:31, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

thanks for the reply message , indeed looking at a new section/page article for this new topic , covered here in spiegel, do you want to do a new page fof this solar panels on the rails way bed , interesting description or i can do the page?....--Lichtsun (talk) 02:44, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

https://www.cleanthinking.de/bankset-energy-bahnschwellen-energie/

The idea is outstanding and the system covered in several publications including spiegel. solar panels on railway bed. meets wikipedia criterias for article suggest that you do the article since your the best on wikipedia. or we do it together.? looking at additional sources and inputs comments .--Lichtsun (talk) 02:52, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Smart highway or solar highway? Smart highway = Smart motorway

I arrived on this page because a re-write tag was requested but I think it isn't clear what this page is truly about. IMO smart highways description seems mostly related to active traffic management, connected car, autonomous vehicles, whether the mention of solar highways to green energy powered roads. The few independent uses of a "smart highway"HERE360IEEE Spectrum on the web very much resemble what is said in the Smart motorway article. I suggest redirecting Smart highway to Smart motorway. I can't tell about the relevance of "solar highways" for an article, there are also "sustainable roads/highways". Maybe someone on this talk page with specific knowledge about the matter might want to propose a specific entry for that term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tobias2934 (talk • contribs) 20:55, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

What do you think of moving to Smart road? Per this NBC piece, US Federal Highway Administration page, and Intel page. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 15:13, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

This article is about largely speculative smart technologies embedded into the roads.

The 'Smart Motorway' article seems to be entirely about a UK program for managing traffic. It wouldn't be improved by merging this article into it.

'Smart Road' might be better.

And for what it's worth, I agree that the meme-worthy but otherwise silly stuff from the Solar Roads crowd should be minimized. A lot has already been cut out of this article. ApLundell (talk) 18:02, 23 May 2022 (UTC)