Talk:Social construction of gender/Archive 1

Archive 1

Research methods section does not mention research methods and has other issues

The section does not really discuss methods, but rather implies that a social constructionist can be a relativist of some sorts. I'm not sure that all social constructionists agree with this. 88.114.154.216 (talk) 15:28, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Innate differences steming from biology is a major opposing view of social constructionism not mentioned

This page fails to mention that there has always been a major dispute about how much gender roles are truly "constructed" and how much they stem from biological differences between the sexes. The biology behind sex has been extensively studied and Wikipedia has several articles about the issue. For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_psychology Therefore I think this article should mention this fact and link to one of these other pages that explains gendered behavior differences starting from experimental evidence. 88.114.154.216 (talk) 06:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Lots of non sourced claims and citations

There are many citations from authors like de Beauvoir where the source is not given. Also, there are claims of the order "social constructionists believe that", where no "who" is given and where the claim probably is not something that social constructionists have ever made88.114.154.216 (talk) 12:44, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Had to remove some claims that were unsourced and clearly not true

The arcile had claims like "since there is no math gene, gender differences in maths cannot be biological". These kind of statements are simply not true. 88.114.154.216 (talk) 19:40, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

The problems on this page could be resolved with a merger

There are at least two other pages on Wikipedia that discuss this topic. The other two pages (see tag) are poor and have problems, and in those pages (discussion) merger has been suggested. I believe if all three were to be merged, the problems would be resolved partially. 88.114.154.216 (talk) 13:50, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

• Support These are very closely related concepts, and I agree that Social construction of gender difference is the best title for a combined article (seems like we could find something more concise, though). --BDD (talk) 21:34, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
• Support It is redundant to attempt to explain the principles of social constructionism in each of the articles seperately and then proceed to define the terms. In addition to this, some of the articles currently have major problems like "walled garden" and poor sourcing and NPOV-tags. Therefore, I think the best would be to merge them all, and in that one article (which would also have a main or see also tag to social constructionism to avoid redundacy) explain the concepts. This could be done in subsections if necessary.Tpylkkö (talk) 10:40, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
• Support For all the above reasons, I agree that the articles should be merged. 131.111.185.74 (talk) 17:01, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
• Support I agree on adding Gender performativity and Doing Gender as part of Social Construction of Gender. I think cutting Difference from the title is essential to keep the page inclusive enough for both Gender performativity, Doing gender and other concepts such as Gender similarities hypothesis. Thom (talk) 16:21, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Merge from Gender performativity was performed by Klbrain on 2016-07-14. Merge from Doing gender must still be addressed. ~Kvng (talk) 02:55, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Merger proposal

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No merge given uncontested opposition from several different accounts and no support after the initial proposal. Klbrain (talk) 21:56, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

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Formal request has been received to merge the articles Gender feminism and Victim feminism into Social construction of gender; dated: Febbruary 2018. Proposer's Rationale: The two terms are pejorative descriptions of social constructions of gender. Discuss here. @The Vintage Feminist: Richard3120 (talk) 00:12, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose - "feminism" is a subject separate from "gender" and ilks thereof. Also, the target article is immensely problematic by itself; no reason to increase mess by merging other controversial subjects there. Staszek Lem (talk) 23:42, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. --Pfhorrest (talk) 01:43, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose for a couple of reasons: The first reason is essentially the same as Staszek Lem's reason above: the two articles don't seem to me to be the same subject as social construction of gender (although I am open to hearing more arguments supporting the opposite view, and I would change my mind if the arguments were strong enough). The second reason is that pejorative terms can be notable, and if the two articles were the same subject as social construction of gender (which I don't think they are) it could still be valuable to have separate articles explaining their usage and history as pejorative terms; see, e.g., Regressive left, Social justice warrior, Category:Criticism of feminism, Category:Criticism of political correctness, Category:Pejoratives. Biogeographist (talk) 03:20, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose, with an alternate proposal at Talk:Gender feminism#Proposed dispersal Daask (talk) 18:40, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

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