Talk:Slovene Littoral

Image error??

Image is in error; it highlights Littoral AND Goriška. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.142.182.171 (talk • contribs) 16:22, 13 December 2007

The image is perfectly OK. The Littoral comprises two historical regions: Goriška and the Slovenian Istria. Viator slovenicus (talk) 14:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Little exclave?

Why does there appear to be a little exclave to the left of the image near to the 'border' between Gorizska and Slovenian Istria (I'd guess that it's around about the location of Sezana or Italian Opicina)? Is this intended? Or does it show that a small part of istria branches off Gorizska? Maybe it's just an error or is there really a little exclave there (possible over the border with Trieste)?--Xania ^talk 23:48, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

the little exclave you see is a very small part of Slovenia that is part of Istria peninsula. it looks like an exclave because the southern and eastern part of Trieste/Trst is also placed on Istria. Mrwho00tm (talk) 16:15, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 1

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The result of the proposal was not moved , per consensus.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:59, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

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Slovenian Littoral → Littoral (Slovenia) – Per the same pattern as Styria (Slovenia): The original name is simply Primorska, not Slovensko Primorje, and (per talk here) many English sources on the topic using the term simply refer to "the Littoral" without making a disambiguation (e.g., here and here) because it's already contextualized. Eleassar ^{my talk} 09:33, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

• Unopposed Agree. The logic is the same as for Styria (Slovenia). Because littoral is ultimately a generic word used as a proper noun, compare also Central Highlands for an analogous example (e.g., Central Highlands (Madagascar), Central Highlands (Tasmania), Central Highlands (Victoria)). Doremo (talk) 09:46, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
• Comment both these names are confusing, since "littoral" is an English word, and if one were not familiar with Slovenia, they would expect this to describe the littoral zone off the coast of Slovenia, in the Adriatic. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 10:09, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
  • udpate I now oppose this rename, as the proposed name is significantly more confused than the current one. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:17, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:NATURAL and User:Doremo's comment here: "There seems to be a frequent pattern of "adjective Littoral" in article titles: Austrian Littoral, Croatian Littoral, Montenegrin Littoral, Pontic littoral, Argentine littoral. Also, littoral is a generic term that may be incorporated into a proper noun, whereas Styria and Carinthia are already proper nouns." "Littoral" is a lot like "coast" or "shore" and we certainly don't use Coast (Ivory) for Ivory Coast or Shore (Jersey) for Jersey Shore. —  AjaxSmack  03:47, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
• Comment Perhaps Pacific Northwest is another good parallel for a premodified generic; AjaxSmack makes a good point about generic nouns, so I've changed my opinion to "unopposed". (However, I don't think Ivory Coast is a good parallel because it's a set phrase and (I think) is never referred to as "the Coast," whereas the Slovenian Littoral is widely referred to as "the Littoral" when the context is clear.) In any case, I agree that there's no compelling reason to make the move. Doremo (talk) 04:34, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose - as per AjaxSmack's comments. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:00, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't really understand why it isn't at Primorska, since Primorska directs here

Slovenia: The Bradt Travel Guide - Robin McKelvie, ‎Jenny McKelvie - 2005 Page 133 "If Slovenia really is, to borrow the increasingly used cliche, 'Europe in Miniature', then Primorska is surely Slovenia in miniature. The smorgasbord of scenery ranges from the sweeping mountains of its northern Julian Alps fringes, right down ..."

In ictu oculi (talk) 10:28, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move 2

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The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 22:29, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Slovenian Littoral → Primorska – A comparison of English sources "of Primorska" -University = 402 results, vs "of the Slovenian littoral" -Mobile Reference = 9 results shows that Primorska (which redirects here) is both more common, and also is the modern name, while Slovenian Littoral is mainly a historical name (1919-1945), following Austrian Littoral (1849–1918). Relisted. BDD (talk) 18:38, 5 September 2013 (UTC) In ictu oculi (talk) 02:34, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Note: The above new RM was suggested by closing admin of above on my Talk page. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:34, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

• Support solves the problem of ambiguity -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 03:06, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:ENGLISH. Slovenian Littoral is already unambiguous, and Primorska raises other ambiguity issues: Littoral Banovina (Primorska banovina), Principality of Dalmatian Croatia (Primorska Hrvatska), Northern Croatian Littoral (also Primorska Hrvatska). Doremo (talk) 04:09, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

User:Doremo, are any of these today ever referred to as just plain "Primorska" in modern English sources? In ictu oculi (talk) 14:43, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, sometimes: [1], [2], [3] (combining the Slovene and Croatian Littoral), [4], [5]. Doremo (talk) 14:52, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but none of those are regions today called Primorska in Croatia: [1][2] aren't describing a modern region, [3] is 1918, [4] is small caps explaining a word [5] is a wine distinction. From those five, tends to confirm that use of "region Primorska" is for modern Slovenia only. In ictu oculi (talk)

I disagree; they show polysemy. However, WP:ENGLISH seems more important in this case: Littoral is very well attested in reliable sources. Doremo (talk) 15:34, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

It isn't unambiguous, "littoral" is an English word, and the term "Slovenian Littoral" can easily be interpreted to mean the littoral zone off the coast of Slovenia in the Adriatic. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:53, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Evidence for such an interpretation ("zone off the coast") is either rare or nonexistent based on published sources [6]. Doremo (talk) 04:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose. Per WP:ENGLISH: Slovenian Littoral is an established English term for the region. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 07:17, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

...User:Eleassar, yes it was, but as above those 9 hits mainly refer to 1918-1945, wheras the 402 hits for Primorska refer to today. Do you have any evidence it is used today to refer to Primorska now? In ictu oculi (talk) 16:40, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Slovenian Littoral and Slovene Littoral continue to be well-attested in 21st-century published sources [7] [8]. Doremo (talk) 17:27, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps it would make sense to move the article to 'Slovene Littoral', as it has been named after the Slovenes. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 09:23, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Slovenian and Slovene are synonyms, so I do not see that as a motivation for such a move. (I also neither support nor oppose a move from Slovenian Littoral to Slovene Littoral in principle.) Doremo (talk) 12:09, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't see the point, Slovene Littoral also refers to 1945 in sources. Doremo, yes Slovenian Littoral and Slovene Littoral continue to be well-attested in 21st-century published sources for history - but the question is now, post-independence Slovenia. Is Slovenian Littoral used now for now? In ictu oculi (talk) 02:10, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it is; two examples include: "the local people of the Littoral Region" (p. 5, para. e) and "worker flows from the Slovenian Littoral" (p. 176, para. 4). These were published by the Anton Melik Geographical Institute at the Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts in 2008 and 2012. Doremo (talk) 04:33, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

It is true that Slovenian and Slovene are synonyms, but can you please demonstrate that Pasquale's opinion in Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Slovenian vs Slovene)#This decision should be reversed is not to be folowed? Per him, as the relevant dictionaries give the preference to the term Slovene, so should we. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 19:26, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm indifferent as to whether the form Slovene or Slovenian is used (but an article should consistently use only one of these). Both forms are well attested in reliable sources and have no consistent difference in denotation. User Pasquale's credentials (inasmuch as contributor credentials have any relevance) do not outrank those of others that have commented on the topic. Doremo (talk) 19:51, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Pasquale's credentials are irrelevant. What is relevant is that the consulted dictionaries give preference to the word Slovene. If we are to choose one or the other form, we should choose the one that dictionaries give preference to. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 19:56, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

I have no objection to Slovene; it's a good word form. Doremo (talk) 03:31, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move 3

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 18:01, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Slovenian Littoral → Slovene Littoral – There is no difference in this regard between the British English and the American English and no semantic difference between the two, but per above, to not confound the readers and due to stylistic aspects, we should be consistent about the usage of the words Slovene or Slovenian throughout an article. Dictionaries mainly (perhaps consistently) give preference to Slovene (see above) and we have also already chosen to use Slovene for the people and the language. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 08:14, 1 April 2014 (UTC) Eleassar ^{my talk} 08:14, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

• I have no objection to such a move. Doremo (talk) 09:51, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
• Support per nom. ^walk victor falk ^talk 03:43, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

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