Talk:Slavic Native Faith's calendars and holidays

About the "archaic Russian names" - which is a better resolution?

Although I added the "archaic Russian names" section on the "names of months in local Slavic traditions" as a comparison between Dobroslav's months and older names of months in Russian, it appears that they are not verified.

I based the names on those listed at the "comparison table" in the Slavic calendar article.

Shall I remove this section until it is verified, add the available names (e.g. "се́чень" for both January and February), or list "(each month's name may be used for two months instead of strictly one)"?

@Atitarev

PulauKakatua19 (talk) 06:27, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

The Russian column is not sourced and needs a very thorough checking or deletion. Check ru:Древнеславянский календарь and you will find that months are often shifted by one, there are many regional variants. Anatoli (talk) 06:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

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Requested move 19 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. One of the major factors behind the original move proposal was that the article does not currently contain anything about calendars (beyond just listing the names of months). However, in the discussion, it was identified that the Ynglism calendar had also been featured in this article until its removal in 2021. All participants in the discussion (including the nominator) agreed that the Ynglism calendar should not have been removed from the article; this leads me to find that there would be consensus to reinstate that material, and thus consensus not to remove "calendars" from the article title, as it would cease to be out-of-scope if such reinstatement occurs.

The discussion also included a proposal to use the term "Rodnover" instead of "Slavic Native Faith", but I don't see a consensus for that move, as it does not seem to have attracted substantial support. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:00, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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Slavic Native Faith's calendars and holidays → Slavic Native Faith holidays – Current title is too complicated, and there isn't their own calendar just alternative names of months Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 16:29, 19 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Edward-Woodrow • talk 11:54, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose: This is not Simple English Wikipedia, so "too complicated" is not a good reason for a title change. The article treats both calendars and holidays of the new religious movement of Rodnovery. An alternative solution might be to change the title to "Rodnover calendars and holidays", using the now well established adjective for "Rodnovery". Æo (talk) 12:07, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

  I am not that knowledgeable about the terms Rodnovery vs Slavic Native Faith. It might be worth doing a collective move proposal on all articles containing "Slavic Native Faith" in their titles. My perception was that Rodnovery only referred to Eastern Slavic traditions and excluded western and southern slavic similar to how Asatru only contains northern germanic while heathenry is all Germanic.

  Nonetheless I am not proposing that we simplify the article, but rather that for ease of discovery and Search Engine optimization, having complicated titles which one can easily type incorrectly is not preferable. I believe there are likely many articles that could have had this article linked in them but were not linked because the person was unable to find this article when searching for an article to link. Likewise these are not common names for the topics at hand Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 18:10, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

  "Rodnovery" is the English name of the movement (while its adjective and noun-adjective is "Rodnover[s]"), not Russian or East Slavic, although it resembles either the Russian nominative plural case of the noun rodnover (роднове́р), i.e. rodnovéry (роднове́ры), or the prepositional case of rodnovérije (роднове́рие), i.e. rodnovérii (роднове́рии), and possibly similar declension cases of the equivalent terms in other Slavic languages. And it is used not only for the Eastern Slavic variants of the movement, but for the movement as a whole, also including its Western and Southern Slavic variants. See the following examples of the comprehensive use of the term: (1) uses it to refer to the movement in Russia; (2, 3) in Slavic countries in general; (4) in Poland.

  1) Zuev, Denis (2013). "The Russian March: Investigating the Symbolic Dimension of Political Performance in Modern Russia". Europe-Asia Studies, Volume 65. Quote: "...discourse in the blogosphere (Etling et al. 2010) and within particular web communities, such as Rodnovery (Aitamurto 2007). At the same time, the structure...".

  2) Radulović, Nemanja (2021). "The New Life of 'The Book of Veles'. Transformations of Mystification into Myth". In Disenchantment, Re-Enchantment and Folklore Genres, Belgrade: Institute for Literature and Arts. Quote: "The Book has had the key role in the creation of Rodnovery... a new form of reception followed the appearance of Rodnovery in Serbia early in the 21st century. According to the available information, The Book of Veles plays no significant role in the Rodnovery of Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovenia, and Croatia (Polish translation appeared as late as 2013/2014)... About Ukrainian Rodnovery...".

  3) Maiello, Giuseppe (2018). "On the Agony of Czech Slavic Paganism and the Representation of One's Own Funeral among Contemporary Czech Pagans". The Pomegranate, Volume 20, Issue 2. Quote: "Today the Slavic contemporary Paganism or Rodnovery is also present in the Balkans, but fifteen years ago Slavic identity there was associated...".

  4) Grochowski, Piotr (2020). "The feasts of 'Stado' and 'Kupala Night' in the rituals of the Polish Rodnovers. A revival of ethnographic sources". Ethnolinguistics, Volume 32. Quote: "It is argued in this study that contemporary Rodnovers (practitioners of Slavic Native Faith, or Rodnovery) revive ethnographic and historical sources...".

  Regarding I am not proposing that we simplify the article, but rather that for ease of discovery and Search Engine optimization, having complicated titles which one can easily type incorrectly is not preferable, this is what WP:RDR are meant for. Regarding an overall switch from "Slavic Native Faith" to "Rodnovery/Rodnover", I think it is not the case yet. I proposed it for ancillary articles like this one about aspects of Rodnovery just for the sake of simplification of titles, which seemed to be the main driver behind your move requests.--Æo (talk) 09:38, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

  We need more input on this before closing. But I think there is no real calendar in this. Ynglism has a calendar but it is not really mentioned in this article. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 18:34, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

  Actually, there was a section about Ynglism some years ago. It was removed on 22 January 2021. I object to the removal, since it is POV. Æo (talk) 06:22, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

  If the Ynglism section was present in this article I think there would be a lot more basis for the inclusion of the word "calendar" in the title. I also object to such a removal and think it should be added back into this article. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 06:56, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.