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Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2021

Part of the sentence on the first paragraph – With a multicultural population and recognizing the need to respect cultural identities,..."

Recognising, not recognizing. The spelling for Singapore English is uniform with British English rather than American English. 49.228.109.177 (talk) 10:18, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 10:29, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 November 2021

To replace LKY's photo in the article to this, during the height of his career as prime minister. 119.198.155.35 (talk) 22:47, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done Tol (talk | contribs) @ 03:10, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

National Language

Singapore's national language is only Malay from Article 153A.

" 153A.—(1) Malay , Mandarin, Tamil and English shall be the 4 official languages in Singapore. (2) The national language shall be the Malay language and shall be in the Roman script: "

While English is the lingua franca of Singapore, it is not the national language of Singapore. Kenneth Gerald Lxy (talk) 03:56, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2022

change driving side from left to right 2401:7400:C805:A47B:D7D:1C18:FA76:FD8A (talk) 05:56, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 06:07, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Coordinates request on 12 February 2022

I note that unlike the vast majority of city pages, there is no coordinates link to map sites in this page. I'd add them - but I'm locked out... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.150.36.254 (talk) 11:03, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

There's some sort of bug with the infobox country (which this page uses). The coords were already here, but they are not displayed as they should. I had to take them out like I found in another article. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 17:08, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2022

I do think Singapore's low corruption rankings does warrant some notability on the third paragraph at the top as one of its key social indicators, as they are ranked the highest in Asia and 4th in the world, only behind Denmark, New Zealand, and Finland and on par with Norway. It may also partially explain as to why the governing PAP has continuously remained in power. I would suggest "low levels of corruption" or just "transparency" on the key social indicators sentence. Corruption Perceptions Index. Andrew Campbell BHS (talk) 01:19, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Heartmusic678 (talk) 16:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

(One) Of the highest infrastructure in the world, Missing name for Singapore.

According to website (https://www.statista.com/statistics/264753/ranking-of-countries-according-to-the-general-quality-of-infrastructure/) Singapore has the highest infrastructure rating in the world. Also, In Sanskrit, Singapore is called Singapura. EditorWiki121 (talk) 21:34, 25 February 2022 (UTC).

Driving side

Doesn't Singapore drive on the right side? 107.0.17.203 (talk) 19:38, 20 April 2022 (UTC)107.0.17.203

No, they drive on the left, like neighbouring Malaysia does. It's because they used to be British. -- Alarics (talk) 21:32, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Just a note that driving side is based on the side of the road the vehicle is at, not the location of the steering wheel in the car. Seloloving (talk) 15:21, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Starting from 1959

@Chipmunkdavis

Starting from as recent as 1959 is doing a disservice to Singapore's indigenous historical figures and history leading back to Temasek, Kingdom of Singapura, and the like. These are still critical and pivotal points in history towards the contemporary era, and ignoring them only serves to bolster the pro-government/PAP stance that Singapore was a "fishing village" just a few decades ago and that they "saved" the country. Not to be political but it can't be forgotten that groupthink is rife in Singapore with freedom of the press severely restricted – it's extremely easy to rewrite history.

And I don't think this is in anyway unique to Singapore, I was inspired by Algeria and Cambodia, also post-colonial states, which means it does not necessarily have to mean only after the establishment of sovereignty. MordukhovichAleakin (talk) 11:46, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

The infobox is not a history section. It is a note of when a country achieved its sovereignty status, and the infobox field heading that section is literally "| sovereignty_type". Other articles often do it wrong, they should be fixed, not their problems exported here. CMD (talk) 11:50, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

I would just like to point out to MordukhovichAleakin that you have to use {{reply to|Username}} to ping someone. Using @ alone does not work. Seloloving (talk) 13:15, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2022

Something's wrong with the calculation of ethnic groups. It adds up to 100.1%, extra 0.1%. 62.0% + 9.2% + 28.9%. 126.15.251.1 (talk) 17:21, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

 Note: That's a rounding error and common when adding up deaggregated data EvergreenFir (talk) 17:23, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2022

Ang kulay ng flag na Singapore is green.. The color of flag of Singapore is green . Like Vietnam 112.198.213.92 (talk) 11:24, 29 April 2022 (UTC) and a Singapore is china, hongkong

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:29, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2022

"as a entrepôt trading post" should be "as an entrepôt and trading post" 211.120.148.160 (talk) 00:51, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

 Done (CC) Tbhotch^™ 02:11, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2022

Update IMF's GDP PPP and nominal figures for Singapore to 2022 estimates for consistency with other countries.

• List of countries by GDP (PPP) ($701,804, 38th)
• List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita ($131,580, 2nd)
• List of countries by GDP (nominal) ($424,431, 37th)
• List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita ($79,576, 7th)

Macrotympanum (talk) 03:11, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

 Already done ;; Maddy ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ :: talk  09:06, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2022

The Total GDP for PPP and Nominal should be changed from $701,804 billion to $701.804 billion and $424,431 billion to $424.431 billion respectively. 2601:2C2:980:6710:CB5:DD28:7211:7FCD (talk) 18:21, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: This article is written in Singaporian English were (please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't use it) commas are used for decimals. DarthFlappy 19:10, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm wrong: MOS:DIGITS DarthFlappy 21:21, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done DarthFlappy 21:26, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2022

The Sanskrit for Singapore is wrong. It's सिङ्गापुरम्. Sanskrit Wikipedia. Also Google Translate. 125.197.120.8 (talk) 07:38, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: The page never includes the Sanskrit for Singapore. It only includes the Sanksrit words the name "Singapore" derives from. Aaron Liu (talk) 04:12, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2022

Singapore is not a country. It's a city. 187.175.48.172 (talk) 19:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:06, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2022

Hello I request this edit, to restore an edition that was in this order: English, Chinese, Malay and Tamil. I ask that because I realized that was ordered by native speakers and also when are more than two official languages the list of languages with  • doesn’t look attractive, so please put back that, that edit I think is useful 186.101.15.32 (talk) 21:42, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RealAspects (talk) 10:53, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

But pal, that doesn’t need a source, is just a changing of order of languages and re-formatting that is useful, that’s all. 186.101.15.32 (talk) 23:42, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: OP-blocked. Lemonaka (talk) 15:43, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Capital of Singapore

Hello fellow editors,

I have noticed that quite a few editors have removed the information regarding Singapore's capital and the largest HDB town by population in the infobox. I would like to put up a discussion here, rather than having edit conflicts on the article itself. Edits here 1 and 2 by Sgweirdo (reason: "Singapore" is not a capital.") and 3 by MordukhovichAleakin (reason: "Not applicable. Singapore does not have a designated capital, it is a unitary city-state.") seem to imply that Singapore has no capital because it is a city-state. However, referring to other articles on city-states, such as Monaco, the country itself is placed as the capital as well. If sources are required, then according to the data listed on the United Nations Statistics Division website, the capital of Singapore, is Singapore. I think the purpose of the infobox is to provide a condensed and summarised profile of the subject in question, which I think these 2 pieces of information would be required for a better understanding of Singapore as a country.

Please feel free to contribute to the discussion so we can reach a consensus. Thank you. Deoma12^(Talk) 08:39, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

The infobox should not have a "capital city" for Singapore, as it has no capital city, there being no other city to be capital against. Infoboxes are not databases where every field needs to be filled. Filling the field is misleading, Singapore is not Mexico or Panama. CMD (talk) 09:25, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Panama or Mexico are not city-states. But you've mentioned, Singapore has no capital, I would disagree. Singapore itself is a country and a city, quote 'A capital is typically a city that physically encompasses the government's offices and meeting places; the status as capital is often designated by its law or constitution.' from the Capital city article. And according to the the data listed on the United Nations Statistics Division website, which I have listed above, Singapore has listed 'Singapore' as its capital city. Thus, saying Singapore has no capital doesn't make sense. But still, should it be removed? If so, I feel that this should be standard across articles on city states. E.g. Monaco, which is the only other proper city-state that is a sovereign country. If filling the field is misleading, when Singapore has a capital, wouldn't it mislead readers? Into thinking Singapore has no capital. There are already such instances with editors such as yourself living off misinformation. --Deoma12^(Talk) 08:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Living off misinformation hmm? Instead of selectively quoting the Capital city article, perhaps read the earlier prose you didn't quote here about "holding primary status". There is no "primary" status in Singapore, as there is only a single city. CMD (talk) 11:40, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, Chipmunkdavis you are living off misinformation. I see you have reverted my edit without coming to a consensus. Like you quote, holding 'primary status'. The primary city in the country of the Republic of Singapore, is Singapore. Singapore is also listed as a national capital in the List of national capitals by population. I've supported my claims with a reliable source, which was from the United Nations. You've ignored my question of the other article of another city-state of Monaco listing the same information. If you're planning to end this discussion like this, you seem to be a tad biased for a user with administrative rights. --Deoma12^(Talk) 15:30, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I've requested a third opinion regarding this discussion since no consensus was reached. --Deoma12^(Talk) 18:54, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I've raised a dispute resolution notice instead, since User:Sgweirdo has been removing content without particpating in the discussion on regarding this matter and also User:Chipmunkdavis being one-sided in this discussion and went ahead to remove the content without reaching a consensus. --Deoma12^(Talk) 03:02, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

My 2 cents: Monaco's infobox lists the capital as "Monaco (city-state)", and this seems like an eminently sensible way to do it. Maybe add a footnote stating that since Singapore is a unitary city-state, it has no de jure capital. Jpatokal (talk) 08:11, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

The issue with "Monaco (city-state)" is it suggests the capital is the city-state of Monaco, rather than it being the topic of the article itself. It's even more confusing there as it is linked to Monaco-Ville, suggesting Monaco-ville is the capital city (and a city-state). I understand what it's trying to say, but that's only because I'm already familiar with Monaco. The current Capital city: none is not ideal either, for similar reasons. It is incorrect to say Singapore doesn't have a de jure capital. The concept of a capital city is simply inapplicable to entities that are single cities, which is why for example it is reasonable to talk about the capital of the territory of Puerto Rico, but not the territory of Washington, D.C.. CMD (talk) 08:35, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

The concept capital city may seem like it is not applicable to city states. Nonetheless, even though city-states are single cities, they are sovereign and independent entities. Thus, saying that a city-state does not have a capital does not make sense, because the city itself is its own seat of government, holding primary status within the country, because it is the only city. ASEAN and United Nations recognise Singapore as the capital city of the Republic of Singapore, thus shouldn't the Wikipedia article on Singapore reflect that fact? ASEAN Facebook Post from 2020, United Nations Statistics Division website Who are we to decide whether Singapore is the capital city of the Republic of Singapore? By doing so, the article not only confuses readers, but spread false information and confusion that the Republic of Singapore does not have a capital city.

What I'm suggesting is just by going with the facts as I've stated when is started this topic. This issue was raised because one of the editors (User:Sgweirdo) keeps editing the capital of Singapore to NONE, which he/she is currently still doing. Not to mention articles on past Italian city-states all list the city-states themselves as a capital city. I'm sure I need not explain any further. Deoma12^(Talk) 03:58, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

The city does not have "primary status", there is no other city it is primary against. What is confusing would be suggesting to readers there are multiple cities in Singapore, which there are not. CMD (talk) 11:10, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2023

Singapore does not belong to Straits of Johor! What a false information. Look at the map, it's two different islands! InternWikiii (talk) 23:47, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes InternWikiii (talk) 23:48, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: The article does not say that Singapore is in the Straits of Johor .It says that it borders the straits, to the south, which appears to be correct. Meters (talk) 00:00, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2023

The multiracialism in "Multiracialism is enshrined in the constitution [of Singapore]..." links to the article on Multiracialism, which is the study of mixed-race identity rather than multiculturalism, which is what the Singapore constitution enshrines (see para. 27 here). The link should be changed to the article on Multiculturalism instead. Singapore does use both terms interchangeably, though "multi-racialism" would be more appropriate. Gradaigh (talk) 14:47, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

 Done small jars tc 16:09, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Add Brunei Dollar to Currency

they have an agreement with brunei which allows the circulation of both currencies in both nations 82.14.227.184 (talk) 08:56, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Disagree as that does not mean that the Brunei dollar is Singapore currency. Dawkin Verbier (talk) 10:06, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

It means its in circulation / legal tender, this is what it is listing. they are an official user. 82.14.227.184 (talk) 22:21, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

yes circulation of currency, but the Singaporean Dollar will be valued to a Euro currency then to Brunei 122.53.185.85 (talk) 09:28, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

The Singaporean Dollars

They are integral to World Economy through the EU (European Union and its Currency), they are part of EURO value which is the ECU of all European Union nations. 122.53.185.85 (talk) 08:43, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

But told by Singapore' there will be no Euro of the European Union without other or the "Latter" Nations or Countries currency out and not a member of the Union. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.53.185.85 (talk) 08:52, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

this was noted by the G77 Organization..the Federal Reserve and the EURO overall currency value (the Deposits of all European Nations).. 122.53.185.85 (talk) 09:30, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Millionaires

I think someone has confused “one in six” with 6% 111.223.96.146 (talk) 02:15, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

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Brunei dollar in the currency section of the infobox

According to this statement from the Monetary Authority of Singapore: https://www.mas.gov.sg/currency/brunei-singapore-currency-interchangeability-agreement

"Banks in both countries also accept for deposit, from the public and businesses, currency issued by the other country at par and without charge. Businesses and members of the public should not be concerned about accepting payments in Brunei currency. "

Given this information, is there any reason why the Brunei dollar shouldn't be listed as one of the currencies of Singapore in the infobox? Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 09:20, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. It isn't the Singapore currency so it shouldn't be listed as Singapore's currency in the infobox. Bennv123 (talk) 09:27, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

  It clearly is a Singapore currency though. Sanctioned by the Singapore government itself according to their own website unless I'm misunderstanding something. Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 09:34, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

It is a currency that can be used in Singapore. You can use foreign currencies in Singapore, though not every business will accept it and there may be certain additional fees. In the case of the Brunei dollar, there is an agreement that banks will not charge additional fees. That's all. It's still not an official currency of Singapore. Non-banking businesses are not required to accept it as if it were the Singapore dollar, and there are many businesses that may not accept payment in Brunei dollars for their own reasons. Bennv123 (talk) 10:00, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

I see, I guess I did misunderstand then. Thanks for the clarification! Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 10:04, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2023

To update towards 2023 for economic figures.

• List of countries by GDP (PPP)
• List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita
• List of countries by GDP (nominal)
• List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita

211.217.193.170 (talk) 07:31, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Lightoil (talk) 07:58, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2023

change

It has the third highest population density in the world, although there are numerous green and recreational spaces due to advanced urban planning.

to

It has the third highest population density in the world, although there are numerous green and recreational spaces as a result of urban planning.

which seems less unnecessarily glorifying. JSchlensok (talk) 12:45, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

 Done Lightoil (talk) 13:19, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Why strike? No citation

Much of Singapore's infrastructure had been destroyed during the war, including those needed to supply utilities (need citation). A shortage of food led to malnutrition, disease, and rampant crime and violence. A series of strikes in 1947 caused massive stoppages in public transport and other services (need citation).

What caused the strike? What worker rights were being violated? What was the cause of their grievances? 149.61.247.16 (talk) 04:36, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2023

To update GDP (PPP) and GDP (nominal) figures (including per capita) on the infobox from 2022 to 2023:

• GDP (PPP) — $701.804 billion (38th) → $757.726 billion (38th)
• GDP (PPP) per capita — $131,580 (2nd) → $133,895 (3rd)
• GDP (nominal) — $424.431 billion (37th) → $515.548 billion (30th)
• GDP (nominal) per capita — $79,576 (7th) → $91,100 (5th)

Praxaquilani (talk) 09:45, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

 Done PriusGod (talk) 04:53, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 14 May 2023

Land area data is outdated. The sources (SingStat 1 SingStat 2 data.gov.sg 3) states that it is 734.3 square kilometres (283.5 sq mi) as of December 2022 (latest data), it currently shows 733.1 square kilometres (283.1 sq mi) in the article. 24.53.222.60 (talk) 20:50, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done Updated the infobox and Geography of Singapore. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 04:42, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

The Executive Powers of the Singapore President

Hi, the article concerning the powers of the President in Singapore is erroneous. The President does not hold the wide-spread executive powers such as amending Bills as stated in the "Government and Politics" Wikipedia section. The Prime Minister of Singapore is the effective head of the executive branch of the government. (Reference: https://www.pmo.gov.sg/The-Government) The Singapore President while being the Head of State only holds very specific discretionary powers under the Singapore Constitution such as protecting the reserves (Reference: https://www.istana.gov.sg/The-President/Presidents-Duties/Constitutional). Suggest that someone amend it as it is clearly misleading. Ethanf711 (talk) 09:09, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Why not amend it yourself? Dawkin Verbier (talk) 16:54, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Need to find the time and I am also updating other articles. I think that correct information is a very important resource that can empower people in life. I am putting this notice out so that if anyone can get to it first, they can amend it. Thanks. Ethanf711 (talk) 10:05, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

False figures by Kwkr09

The GDP figures changed by Kwkr09 are blatantly false and should be reverted as vandalism. 59.8.21.127 (talk) 03:44, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2023

change (and with the help of secret negotiations by PAP leaders, as revealed in 2015) to (and with the cooperation of PAP leaders, via classified letters) 119.56.105.215 (talk) 10:59, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Pinchme123 (talk) 04:24, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Edit request: The National Language is Malay

The constitution names Malay as the national language of Singapore. (Section 153A, quotation below) It is one of the four official languages. The others are English, Mandarin Chinese, and Tamil.

I think this is notable as just 9.2% of the population speak it as their main language at home. The most spoken language is English. see page x Census of Population 2020 Statistical Release 1: Demographic Characteristics, Education, Language and Religion (PDF). Department of Statistics, Ministry of Trade & Industry, Republic of Singapore. 2021. ISBN 978-981-18-1381-8.</ref>

In my experience, Singaporeans seem to be a bit embarrassed by the status of Malay and Singapore zealots want to bury this as it's a reminder of the fact that Singapore was thrown out of Malaysia.

But I think it is worthwhile noting the special status of Malay: the article on Ireland notes that Irish is the first national language of Ireland, even though a minority speak it, and like Singapore, English is the main day-to-day language

From Singapore's constitution. https://sso.agc.gov.sg/Act/CONS1963

Official languages and national language 153A.—(1) Malay, Mandarin, Tamil and English shall be the 4 official languages in Singapore. (2) The national language shall be the Malay language and shall be in the Roman script: Provided that — (a) no person shall be prohibited or prevented from using or from teaching or learning any other language; and (b) nothing in this Article shall prejudice the right of the Government to preserve and sustain the use and study of the language of any other community in Singapore. 2001:D08:1283:4CC8:FDC9:7999:1F74:849A (talk) 06:17, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

What exactly are you asking to be changed or added, and in specifically which part of the article? The infobox already clearly states: "National language: Malay". Bennv123 (talk) 06:24, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

But the article itself doesn't.

With the greatest of respect, may I suggest you recuse yourself from this debate as you are Singaporean and therefore an interested party. (I know my location is Malaysia at the moment, but I do not live here, nor am I Malaysian nor Singaporean) 2001:D08:1283:4CC8:3951:56B3:3B80:8ECA (talk) 09:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

There is a paragraph on this in the article already. CMD (talk) 09:13, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Recuse myself from this talk page conversation simply because I am Singaporean? That's ridiculous. And as someone else already said, all this is already mentioned and discussed in the article (Singapore#Languages). Bennv123 (talk) 09:35, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Driving-side

Driving-side: Kanan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jyponto (talk • contribs) 13:18, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Driving-side

Driving-side: Right — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jyponto (talk • contribs) 13:22, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jyponto: Driving side does not refer to which side of the car the driver's seat is on. It refers to which side of a 2-way lane a driver would drive on. In Singapore, you would drive on the left lane, while oncoming traffic would be on your right lane. Bennv123 (talk) 13:35, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Unexplained reverts

@Gandalfett:, could you provide a reasonable explanation as to why you are reverting my edits, especially considering you fail to see the need on numerous occasions to use the edit summary? Getting onto the content, could you also explain as to why you find "New Naratiff" (sic), which I assume refers to New Naratif, as a more authoritative source over The Straits Times and Today and why the content is more appropriate being placed as a hidden note in the infobox instead of being laid out and expanded in the demographics section? MordukhovichAleakin (talk) 09:48, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

@Gandalfett ? MordukhovichAleakin (talk) 05:13, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Race issue

I do not think that any explanation of the CMIO framework is necessary in this article. Every jurisdiction defines race differently, and debates of the correspondence of ethnicity and race occur in countries like the US and the UK. Stating that the framework does not correspond with ethnicity is WP:UNDUE in a general article on Singapore. Dawkin Verbier (talk) 15:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

First paragraph contains opinion based info

"Multi-racialism is enshrined in the constitution and continues to shape national policies in education, housing, and politics." Is a personal opinion with no sources

Should be removed for bias information, personal opinion bias 2401:D002:B305:3D00:15BD:53D0:ADD4:6D2C (talk) 05:41, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Various aspects of this are covered, with sourced, in the body. CMD (talk) 09:51, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Proportions of ethnic groups are calculated based only on the resident population, which comprises Singapore Citizens (SC) and Permanent Residents (PR).

This is listed against the ethnic groups by percentage. Does any other Wikipedia article of a country allow this? It is placing arbitrary conditions on counting ethnicity of the residents to push a narrative. 30% of the population is being excluded because of their classification as second-class citizens who may never be granted citizenship or permanent-residency visas despite living and working in the country for decades. 103.30.92.64 (talk) 15:26, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2024

This article states that Singapore is ranked 6th by the WHO for healthcare, but the source is 24 years old. I think that should be made clear, or a more modern source found. Fredfsr (talk) 08:46, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

 Question: Do you have a source you'd like to update with? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 08:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Lead mention of human rights / freedom of speech

Have rewritten last portion of the lead. I would argue the lead needs to summarise Singapore's political framework and its illiberal democratic system. This article's lead at current leaves that out. Saying the PAP "wields dominance" without explaining to some extent why or what that means isnt useful. It's also necessary to explain how Singapore differs from othwr developed Western countries in its framework ("Asian values" versus democracy, etc). Here is what i propose the lead be changed to.

singapore is a unitary parliamentary republic with a Westminster system of unicameral parliamentary government, and its legal system is based on common law. It retains both corporal punishment for minor offences and capital punishment for serious ones. While the country is de jure a multi-party democracy, the government under the People's Action Party (PAP) wields widespread control over politics and society without serious electoral competition. In 2023, Singapore was ranked 129th out of 180 nations on the global Press Freedom Index due to government restrictions on freedom of speech and freedom of the press. For these reasons, Singapore has been described by scholars as a soft authoritarian state or an illiberal democracy. The PAP has governed the country continuously since full internal self-government was achieved in 1959, and currently holds a supermajority with 79 out of 93 elected seats in Parliament. One of the five founding members of ASEAN, Singapore is also the headquarters of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Secretariat, the Pacific Economic Cooperation Council Secretariat, and is the host city of many international conferences and events. Singapore is also a member of the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, the East Asia Summit, the Non-Aligned Movement, and the Commonwealth of Nations. Dhantegge (talk) 14:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Dhantegge! I see that you are suggesting restoring an earlier mention of capital and corporal punishment into this paragraph. I don't think it belongs here: the rest of the paragraph is about the system and style of government, not the existence of specific laws or penalties. In fact I wonder if it significant enough to go in the lead at all. The articles on the United States and Japan (both full democracies) don't mention that they have capital punishment. -- Alarics (talk) 12:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Also, to say that corporal punishment is for "minor offences" is very misleading. Trivial crimes such as jaywalking, littering, or importing chewing gum do not attract caning. Many canings are awarded (always combined with imprisonment) for quite serious offences like rape, gang violence, drugs, robbery, rioting, etc. True, there are also a lot of canings for illegal immigration, arguably a "minor offence" in western eyes but the Singapore authorities plainly don't regard it as such. -- Alarics (talk) 13:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Okay, well argued. But you only addressed one sentence? The main issue here that should be in the lead isn't corporal / capital punishment, it's Singapore's illiberal democratic framework. A nation that restricts political dissent to such a degree (forcing protestors to apply for permits and limit their numbers unless they situate their protest within a single park, for example) that it is listed as "partly free" should have that pointed out somehow, regardless if it is a de jure democracy.

The article at present only hints at Singapore being a dominant party state, but does so in a way that could confuse the reader into thinking it is like South Africa, a true (if weak) democracy which the ANC has governed for 30 years despite freedom of speech / dissent being tolerated (ranked as "free" by Freedom House). There's also a vast difference between weaknesses in South Africa's democracy and the deliberately constrictive nature of Singapore's profoundly illiberal and partially authoritarian "democracy".

Therefore, I suggest the lead include the following:

Singapore is a unitary parliamentary republic with a Westminster system of unicameral parliamentary government, and its legal system is based on common law. While the country is de jure a multi-party democracy, Singapore has been governed by the People's Action Party (PAP) continuously since full internal self-government was achieved in 1959, currently holding a supermajority in the Parliament. The government wields widespread control over politics and society without serious electoral competition, and imposes restrictions on freedom of speech and freedom of the press. For these reasons, Singapore has been described by some scholars as a soft authoritarian state or an illiberal democracy. In 2023, Singapore was ranked 129th out of 180 nations on the global Press Freedom Index. One of the five founding members of ASEAN, Singapore is also the headquarters of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Secretariat, the Pacific Economic Cooperation Council Secretariat, and is the host city of many international conferences and events. Singapore is also a member of the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, the East Asia Summit, the Non-Aligned Movement, and the Commonwealth of Nations

Please note I am not criticising Singaporean politics or being biased. It's just useful in political science articles to adequately explain regime types in the leads of articles, whether a democratic regime or an authoritarian one. Dhantegge (talk) 06:44, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

There are also numerous sources by academics describing Singapore in those terms. Dhantegge (talk) 06:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't think a reader will naturally compare to South Africa, nor that the lead currently only "hints" at anything. It states outright that "While the country is de jure a multi-party democracy with free elections"..."the People's Action Party (PAP) wields widespread control and dominance over politics and society without much electoral competition" (emphasis partly mine). This explicitly covers the broad strokes, and going into "some scholars" and similar equivocating is too detailed for a lead. (I would say in general the lead should be pared back a bit. For example, I don't think the current supermajority status is lead-relevant given how it pales in importance to the already mentioned continuous rule.) CMD (talk) 06:57, 30 April 2024 (UTC)