Talk:Simon Ekpa/Archive 3

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Signature

I added a signature to the article page Infobox per talk with Gråbergs Gråa Sång User_talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång#Signature

Editors may wish to modify things. «fjuːgəbʌs» (talk) 23:17, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Fugabus, how did you get the information? Best, Reading Beans 23:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I am asking because the signature there does not seem to be gotten from those images. You may wish to disagree. Best, Reading Beans 23:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Since the source you give [1] is "own work" (compare [2]), that means you are Simon Ekpa. If that's a mistake, you should correct it. Per Commons philosophy, taking a picture of a picture/document does not make the new picture "own work." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

For the interested, the WP-essay on including signatures says "Generally, there is no consensus on the reproduction of signatures of living persons in Wikipedia. If inclusion is challenged discussion on the relevant article talkpage to decide the value of reproducing a signature would be appropriate."

If the upload is correctly done (which may not currently be the case per "own work") I'm not challenging it, to me it's "meh". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Off-topic, but last year an American politician got really upset finding her signature on WP:[3]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@Yann, can you help us out? Is [4] Commons-good as is? If not, what is needed? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I fixed the author. The copyright of signatures depends very much of the country. Some countries do give a copyright to signatures, some don't. Yann (talk) 10:10, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I think that's resolved now by other editors. I will do little touch there but not now. Thanks «fjuːgəbʌs» (talk) 19:15, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Ekpa and Ijaw Youth Council

Is it worth mentioning? [5][6] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

AU Court recognition

AU in a letter letter dated 23 May 2023 acknowledged BRGIE and Simon Ekpa as it's Prime Minister and head and President Bola Tinubu as the head of the federal Republic of Nigeria as they dragged the Nigerian government to African Court on Human and Peoples rights in Banjul Gambia. (Biafra VS Nigeria)

Now this is interesting and worthy of debate. How do we note this in the LEAD of the article?

Simon is reported to be the leader of "Biafra Liberation Army" in a report I found here. That is also interesting to note in the Lead.

Per comment of @Gråbergs Gråa Sång: on Talk:Simon_Ekpa#Calling Ekpa Prime Minister in wiki-voice where he pointed out AU recognition and now this is coming so soon. I will reform the Lead but I seek opinions from interested editors first. «fjuːgəbʌs» (talk) 18:11, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

The term "prime minister" does not appear in the article you linked. Please provide a reliable third-party (non-primary) source your claim. JFHJr (㊟) 18:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Your source says "Biafra Republic Government In Exile, BRGIE, has petitioned the African Commission on Human and Peoples’ Rights, an organ of the African Union in Banjul, Gambia". Nothing about a letter from AU. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

It also says The Commission acknowledged the petition in a letter dated May 23, 2024, addressed to BRGIE by the African Commission on Human and Peoples’ Rights (the ACHPR) in Banjul, Gambia. But it does not state how the letter addressed or referred to the org's leader or in what context. Perhaps Fugabus received the letter, but we did not. In any event, this claim fails WP:V facially and WP:NOR extrinsically. JFHJr (㊟) 18:34, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

So that is from an organ of the African Union in Banjul, Gambia, not the AU itself. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:39, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

The AU Court is indeed in Banjul. What comes from the AU Court comes from the AU. But no reliable source characterized this as an acknowledgement of a government or a prime minister. It's just a court filing response. "We got your filing. Regards, Primary Source." JFHJr (㊟) 18:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I must agree with you. The AU needs to clarify things here. This is what "acknowledgement" is. Does it translate to recognition? «fjuːgəbʌs» (talk) 18:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Surely you mean acknowledging a petition? Not acknowledging an unregistered organization in Finland as a government, right? If you refer to the second thing, you've misread the text of the link you provided. The petition alone was acknowledged. Cheers. JFHJr (㊟) 18:43, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Can we have at least have that in body? AU Court recognized or otherwise acknowledged them but not AU itself. «fjuːgəbʌs» (talk) 18:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

The AU Court acknowledged the filing. That's all. What you're claiming is simply untrue. JFHJr (㊟) 18:47, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

And again, @JFHJr, the BRGIE is not only registered in Finland. Its worldwide. Search them in the United States of America. They only have liason office in Finland. «fjuːgəbʌs» (talk) 18:53, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

The org sent a letter. It happens, doesn't make it worth mentioning in the article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:39, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

I migrated the overly-grand stand-alone section into the article prose. But if anyone removes it per WP:WEIGHT, I would not oppose it because it's a letter from a primary source in routine response to a court filing. Cheers! JFHJr (㊟) 21:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

It's not a subsection either. You've got a WP:POV problem and you're not dropping the stick. JFHJr (㊟) 21:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

I think that isn't an issue. It doesn't suppose to be a section or subsection either per Wikipedia:Weight. I moved it to a separate paragraph and I hope that helps. «fjuːgəbʌs» (talk) 22:17, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

You have a tendency to put Ekpa's/BRGIE's words in wiki-voice, don't do that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, is there any useful info on this referendum BRGIE talks about? Beyond their own statements, I mean. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

This may be helpful. (southern Examiner) It was during the first phase though of the referendum. I personally haven't found any other in depth coverage yet.

Cheers. «fjuːgəbʌs» (talk) 14:56, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

That's pretty much all "they say..." but something for the curious at least. So it's important people sit at home for three days to send in their photos. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:36, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Some new coverage

I just found this [7] which was quite interesting, it's about the May sit-at-home. I also found this [8] which fails for WP-purposes per "DN News Desk is the editorial wing of Digital Nod, an award-winning digital PR & marketing agency." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

This [9] may or may not have some use, I'm unfamiliar with factcheckhub.com. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:01, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

You may also find this interesting here I guess all these coverage are coming late. «fjuːgəbʌs» (talk) 14:48, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

This may be helpful. (southern Examiner) It was during the first phase though of the referendum. I personally haven't found any other in depth coverage yet.

Cheers. «fjuːgəbʌs» (talk) 14:51, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

The huffmag.com appears to be a WP:BLOG-ish puff-piece, site says "© 2024 Huffmag. Advertising Agency." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Some of this YouTube stuff [10] may be potentially useful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:41, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

It's useful as an external link. I hope this doesn't tempt anyone to use any YouTube as a BLP reference. Otherwise, good find! JFHJr (㊟) 21:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with using YouTube per se, it's like the rest of the internet that way, WP:RSPYT etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

The recent sit-at-home

We're going a bit WP:RECENTISM atm, but this happens. Hopefully things will improve with time, as sources get some perspective. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

BLA emblem

Is there any usable source that can confirm this is the BLA emblem? I think the actual Biafra military used that or something like that, and of course it's possible Ekpa thought it looked nice. If no decent source has noticed this is the BLA emblem, there is no reason WP should. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Yep [11], seems like a Military ranks of Biafra rip-off/whatever. So, decent source needed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)