Talk:Simmba

Add the psoster of film, starring Ranveer Singh.

Add the psoster of film, starring Ranveer Singh Rehmankhan7740 (talk) 06:15, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Hey excuse me Pk Rdx (talk) 18:57, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Notability

I cannot see where this film meets the notability guidelines of WP:NFILM. It hasn't even been released yet and there is nothing specifically notable about its production and doesn't have a production section. It seems based on the number of hits the page has gotten that this page is being used for advertising. PopularOutcast^talk2me! 18:08, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

@PopularOutcast: Have you performed WP:BEFORE? Does the article meet the general notability guideline? Has it received significant coverage in multiple independent reliable publications? I'm not exactly sure what you would be proposing anyway. You would have to open an AfD, float your objections, then maybe the article would be deleted at the end of a week? Then what? 2 weeks later it's recreated? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:18, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Cyphoidbomb, yes I have which is why I posted here although I used WP:NFILM as my guide. Another reason I included it is that someone else in the history also tagged it for the same reason and someone else came along and deleted it without comment. As per guidelines, rather than mark it for deletion, I tagged it and opened a discussion. I am not trying to be a jerk, I just don't understand why its notable but perhaps I missed something or misunderstood the guideline.

The number of views this page has is a bit disconcerting and makes me think it's being used for advertising. As a comparison Mary Poppins Returns has about the same number of hits in the last 30 days, yet it's a Disney film which has been heavily marketed.

I am not sure what you mean about the two weeks. Do you mean that someone will come by and create it again so we shouldn't try to fix the current problems? Or do you mean that the film opens in a couple of weeks? If the latter, just because it opens doesn't make it notable either. As for the former, I try to fix things as I come across them. I understand it's a never ending thing ... just like washing my clothes. :) PopularOutcast^talk2me! 04:06, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

@PopularOutcast: Hi, are you referring to the Wikipedia article's pageviews? If yes, then that's probably not because of promotion, but rather because of India's huge population. For comparison, the Mary Poppins Returns trailer, uploaded on 17 September, has 10 million views on YouTube. Compare it to Simmba's trailer, which was uploaded on 2 December and has 40 million views on YouTube. The peak in pageviews came soon after the trailer release. RajFilmBuff (talk) 14:22, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

RajFilmBuff, cool, thanks for that. I was thinking about this since I wrote it. I know there's a difference in population but when I wrote it I was also considering the native English language population. But then I was wondering about the difference in film industry. Perhaps the English language film industry releases way more films per population than the Indian film industry. PopularOutcast^talk2me! 14:29, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

@PopularOutcast:@Robert McClenon: Hi, I know that you two were concerned about notability so I went and added a production section. As per the Notability guidelines for future films: "Additionally, films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines." So looking at the MOS-Production:

"A production section should provide a clear and readable narrative of how the film was developed, setting out the key events that affected its production, without detailing all of the day-to-day operations or listing every piece of associated news and trivia. Try to maintain a production standpoint, referring to public announcements only when these were particularly noteworthy or revealing about the production process. "

So in that vein I have added production notes, with third-party resources and news articles detailing them. Since this shows that the production of this film was soundly followed by major outlets in India, hopefully this will prove its notability to you, and we don't have to keep the 'notability' tag. Rush922(talk) 10:33, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

I will agree that the litigation surrounding the production of the film has been notable. Robert McClenon (talk) 11:10, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Rush922, Yup, I agree too that the problems surrounding the production make it notable.

As a note for anyone reading, Wikipedia isn't IMDB. IMDB has its place and I use it all the time. Since Wikipedia tries to be an encyclopedia, the subject of articles need to be notable. Just because a film is being produced or because it was released doesn't make it notable as I am sure you read on WP:NFILM. Another example, is just because an artist releases a song, doesn't make the artist or the song notable.

There are some things I love about Wikipedia. One is that you can usually find some guidance. The WP:MOS is a lot of help and the talk pages are full of people willing to answer your questions. Two is that you can post a concern, like I did, and people will try to address it. So I appreciate your time Rush922.

Now, since what I contribute to Wikipedia is copyediting and this is tagged for copyediting, I will work on it a little bit later today. PopularOutcast^talk2me! 14:19, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome, and thanks to you and Robert McClenon for being understanding. And I agree with your assessment on Wikipedia, it's nice to have a place where people can come to a deeper understanding on things, and its among the few sites that cares about the credibility of its articles.Rush922(talk) 14:52, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Genre confusion: Action, Action-Crime, Comedy-Crime-Drama

While Box Office Mojo calls it an "Action" film, the previously added source from BBFC lists it as "Crime, Action" as in this edit [1]. But the BBFC source also mentions that the film is a "comedy crime drama" in its 'Summary section' as pointed out by 77Survivor in this edit. So there is a confusion regarding the genre.
My second point is that this film likely belongs in the comedy genre as well, since called as such in these sources [2], [3], [4]. Pinging Cyphoidbomb, Krimuk2.0, Atlantic306, Davey2010. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:11, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: I'm sorry I wasn't invited but let's face it, there's no actual confusion. No one's confused about the genre except a few vandal IPs who're constantly tampering with genres on various pages. So the first argument is not that valid. But yeah, we might wanna talk about the second aspect, the action-comedy one, though. But only three references list it as such, out of which the first one calls it "Action-comedy drama" and not just comedy. The second one mentions it as action comedy, while the third one says it's an action film laced with comedy. Comedy and action are two different genres. Action comedies are action films with comedy/witty one-liners, if you follow the definition listed on Wikipedia and AllMovie. (77Survivor (talk) 11:28, 14 August 2019 (UTC))

77Survivor, I pinged you while mentioning your rationale behind the changes. Obviously it was not explicit like "Pinging XYZ" since the other people I pinged are not directly involved with the changes. Coming to point, a film like Simmba is totally different from a film like Mohra which has no humour, atleast not from lead actors. Mixed genre films are there. Evil Dead for example is a Horror-Comedy. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:39, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: I never refused the existence of mixed genre films in the first place. (77Survivor (talk) 12:04, 14 August 2019 (UTC))

The film can be categorized as "action-comedy" as per the sources above, which I meant when I said "likely belongs in the comedy genre as well". As for the "crime" part, let's see what other people suggest since it is not totally unsourced. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:23, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't know anything about this film, so I don't have any dogs in this fight. My inclination is to always keep genre simple. To me a crime film would be something like the American film Heat, which is fundamentally about the main characters committing crimes. Goodfellas would be another example of a crime film. Where some people get hung up, is they want to describe every narrative element a film employs, rather than just going simple. Many dramas have comedic moments. All comedies have dramatic moments. If action-comedy is the simple version, go with that. I also notice that two of the cited reviewers describe it as a masala. Maybe that's the way to go, too if nobody can agree. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:28, 14 August 2019 (UTC)