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Requested move 28 November 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 09:54, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Silver lining (idiom) → Silver lining – Per WP:DIFFCAPS / the only usage of this term that is lowercase. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 16:10, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - unlike the situations for when the only usage has a specific capitalization and editors argue that a reader writing that specific way can only mean they are searching for that title, the same cannot be said for all lowercase. That's just how people search. This helps no one other than you for some reason (and it's a bit annoying that I'll need to copy/paste my same argument to all nominations now). --Gonnym (talk) 23:45, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Gonnym and because the concept of a silver lining isn't an encyclopedic topic, and the phrase as such (which might not be either, really, per WP:NOTDICT) is unlikely to be the primary topic, compared with the frequency with which it's a pop culture reference, though I'm hard-pressed to try to single one out as a primary topic. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 17:18, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support it gets 4,033 views compared with 347 for the other uses of Silver Lining [[1]] so even if we ignore DIFFCAPS it still gets nearly 10x the views of the others so its clearly primary. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:32, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@SMcCandlish and Gonnym: do the page views convince you? Even if we assume everyone used lower case this would still be primary. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:31, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No, for the same reason explained at Talk:Line in the sand (phrase)#Requested move 28 November 2019. It's skew caused by Google only linking to one page here, which artificially funnels readers to it, having no choice but to come to it first and then try to find what they're really after, which is mostly likely a pop-culture work using this phrase in its title. WP isn't a dictionary and people generally do not use it for looking up simple idioms, rather than using some other online source for that. The problem had been compounded by lack of a hatnote (now fixed – Google's spider should eventually pick up on this, since it's the first link in the page; see what the incoming link ratio is in, say, a year). PS: The current page arguably fails WP:NOTDICT and should probably be notably expanded with more encyclopedic material, or soft-redirected to wikt:silver lining. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 21:19, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Wtf. This has nothing to do with the topic. 209.71.23.245 (talk) 01:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merger of Burnt toast theory

The new article Burnt toast theory seems to present much the same idea. I therefore suggest that it be merged into this article.

Andrew🐉(talk) 19:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like merging might end up placing undue weight on the "burnt toast theory." Should we consider deletion instead? Clarinetguy097 (talk) 23:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An even better candidate is blessing in disguise. I've added merge tags for this too. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose They might seem similar, but Burnt Toast Theory (BTT) is different than silver lining. A silver lining is when you're able to find some good from a bad situation, while BTT is that "the universe" mildly inconveniences you from time to time in an intentional attempt to prevent you from suffering even worse problems. It's basically theology for people who don't want to be seen as religious. BTT honestly fits best in the Problem of evil, but it's way too goofy and underdeveloped to actually merge it with that page. Feed Me Your Skin (talk) 01:39, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This "theory" or whatever you want to call it is logically bogus. Yes, burning your toast could prevent you from being in a serious car accident on the way to work by delaying you. BUT, it is JUST AS LIKELY that the burnt toast delays you INTO a serious car accident and away from an otherwise safe trip to work. So there is NO advantage to burning your toast. Assuming of course that the probability of having a serious car accident is independent of your departure time. And this would be true if the delay was just a few minutes, because rush hour traffic is equally dangerous throughout rush hour. And if the "theory" comes from a single tiktok posting, that is also pretty indicative. There is a lot of garbage on the net, and tiktok in particular. One person's single post on tiktok is an extremely poor indicator of good logic or intelligence, especially given the above argument. I vote DELETION!!! Dr.gregory.retzlaff (talk) 23:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This applies to Blessing in disguise as well, so I support that target, oppose silver lining since that's about indubitably negative things. Aaron Liu (talk) 13:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose both per my vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Burnt toast theory and WP:COATRACK. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 09:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since it's a modern evolution of the phrase, I think not including it would be doing information a disservice. Aaron Liu (talk) 13:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]