Talk:Siege of Kalinjar

Chandelas

@Ajayraj890 Ajayraj Unreliable source? Religion?

First on bravely, that book was written by doctor Ishrat jahan a muslim.

Second Chandelas faught bravely with courage are from Muslim rule in India page no 64 by vidyadhar mahajan ! Vidyadhar mahajan is historean you can search so where is unreasonable? Your just reverting it and saying unreliable doesn't make it unreliable Akshaypratap7 (talk) 14:57, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

What is the involvement of religion here? If Dr Ishrat Jahan is Muslim, so what? Secondly, you violated the policy of Wikipedia by using Peacock terms, violating copyright rule by copying verbatim and using non neutral tone of words. Ajayraj890 (talk) 15:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

ok I will took care, now can I revert to my version? Akshaypratap7 (talk) 15:21, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Lulu.com is a self-publishing company: see WP:SPS. As for the other source, many sources (especially older history books) tend to use flowery language, using terms such as "bravely", "phenomenally" etc. Wikipedia guidelines recommend a neutral tone (see WP:NPOV and MOS:FLOWERY) - we limit ourselves to facts. Even if the author cites some actual evidence in support of the fact that someone who lived 700 years before him fought "with courage", we attribute that conclusion to the specific author (see WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV). In this case, the author does not actually substantiate the claim, and is simply resorting to flowery language in a generic way. utcursch | talk 15:33, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

so I should stop using faught with courage/ bravely etc? And can I revert to my version (by clearing bravely word)Akshaypratap7 (talk) 15:40, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes. Wikipedia articles should be in a neutral POV. Also when it comes to articles, try to avoid grammar mistakes. One of your concerns were using   instead of  †. In this case, we should use   template because Paramardi submitted to Ghurids accepting their suzerainty. If you need the source for that, here it is: "The siege lasted for a long time and so wearied Paramardi Deva that he was found willing to accpet the Turkish suzerainty, hut he died before the agreement could be signed." from Sultanate of Delhi, 711-1526 A.D and "The Chandela ruler Parmardi Deva was besieged in Kalinjar for many months. Out of despair, he prepared to submit to the Turks but his prime minister Ajayadeva put him to death out of indignation and assumed leadership of the Chandela freedom fighters." from Study in the History of Medieval India, Volume 2. He was not killed in action with Ghurids. But he submitted to Ghurids. Ajayraj890 (talk) 15:54, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Ajayraj, that claim of Parmardidev surrender is corroborated by a muslim text in late 13 c. And other one in 15 c. (I'm not saying it is written in book by sisir kumar) is well debunked by Historean Vidyadhar mahajan.

. Paramardideva fought with courage and very bravely against Ghurids by Historean Vidyadhar Mahajan. . Link-- Akshaypratap7 (talk) 18:57, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

I told you that terms like 'bravely' cannot be used. What is the point of repeating this again and again. Your version cannot be reverted. Ajayraj890 (talk) 04:56, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

If the surrender of Paramardi was mentioned in older records, that should be considered. It supports the statement that Paramardi surrendered. And if you countinue mentioning the religion of authors and historians and differentiate them on the basis of religion, I would have to inform an administrator. Ajayraj890 (talk) 05:01, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Ajayraj but I wrote that because it was written in chandellas of Jejakbhukti by sisirkumar, I didn't mentioned religion from my side.

Can i use while reverting, he was killed by Ghurids instead of surrender (I will not use bravely killed) as per Historean Vidyadhar mahajan. Akshaypratap7 (talk) 05:50, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

He was not killed by Ghurids. He submitted to Ghurids and accepted their suzerainty but died before fulfilling it. The reason of death is unknown. Some historians have claimed that it was because his chief minister killed him. But none of them mentioned that he was killed by Ghurids. So the template {{KIA}} cannot be used. Ajayraj890 (talk) 07:24, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

The book "Socio-Cultural life in Medieval History" by Dr Ishrat Jahan is not a reliable source. The book neither cites where the source are from nor explains much about the conflict. Ajayraj890 (talk) 07:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

User:Akshaypratap7 has been blocked as a sock of the long-term abuser Akshay Singh Rajput Thakur. utcursch | talk 15:44, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

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