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Should the infobox image be one of her face or one of her in a wig like she wears for her concerts and public appearances? There have been discussions about this before, but none of them have had significant participation. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done)16:05, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wig This article focuses more on her career than her personal life (as it should). Her wearing a wig and covering her face is a defining part of her professional appearance. While we absolutely should have images of her face in the body of the article, they should not be the main image. Using a image of her face would be like using an image of Kiss (band) without their makeup in the infobox. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done)16:05, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Status quo. The current status follows policy and is fine. Sia stated in 2016: "I don't wear [a wig] if there aren't cameras around. I only wear this to maintain a modicum of privacy." Since that time, Sia appears in public with a wig or without (2017,2018,2020,2021,2023). Her musical persona, unlike acts like Kiss, is not identical to her public persona. As to the choice between main text and infobox, any image that is fine in the main text is find in the infobox, too. -The Gnome (talk) 18:31, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's misleading to say that the non wig image is the "status quo". I first proposed using a wig image in November 2020. The only user who commented was User:Ssilvers who agreed with me, so I then changed it. It remained like that for over a year until in February 2022, User:DrewieStewie changed it without any discussion. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done)16:02, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The term "status quo" has one and very specific meaning, JDDJS. It denotes things as they are now. Not as they were a long time ago and not as they were a little while ago. The use of the term there is exact. There is nothing "misleading" in me saying the image is the status quo. -The Gnome (talk) 15:15, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't going to comment, but since my name is invoked, I must say that I don't have a strong opinion either way. I think that as long as the text is clear that she generally wears the wig in public, shows an image of this somewhere in the article, and explains that she began to do this to protect her privacy (among other reasons), then I am happy to see it either way in the infobox. It is wearying to have to argue over these sorts of things every couple of years, and I anticipate that we will all be back here again. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:17, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wig in infobox (Brought here from WP:RFC/A) I would not mind placing the current infobox picture (non-wig picture) perhaps down further in the article. Put her performance persona in the infobox since that is why she is WP:NOTABLE.
Status Quo Sia has been notable as a singer LONG before she began performing with the wig on stage in 2014. The first version of this article dates back a decade earlier in 2004, and her first major-label album was released in 2001. When I changed it to a face picture, the photo was from 2011. Somebody later changed it to a 2006 picture. As mentioned above, she still consistently makes public appearances without wigs or her face obscured, even on the album covers for This Is Acting and Everyday Is Christmas (album). Her stage and public persona are two separate entities; hence, a wigless picture that does not obscure her face is warranted on her article. Jeff Hardy is famous for wrestling in facepaint that became standard for him halfway through his career in the public eye, but is already so well known without it that his infobox picture has no facepaint. Just my two cents; with Sia, a wigless photograph with no facial obstruction is preferred for the reasons I've stated alongside User: The Gnome. DrewieStewie (talk) 17:38, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Again, calling the face image the "status quo" when you changed without any discussion disregarding the previous discussion is extremely misleading. I'm not going to pretend that two users agreeing counts as an actual consensus, but it's simply wrong to pretend that it didn't happen. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done)17:59, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
'Wig - It is part of her notability. It also presents the least WP:SURPRISE to a reader familiar with the subject, and helps the unfamiliar understand the subject in a way that matches the body of the article. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 20:41, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I feel that people voting wig on grounds of notability are clearly not putting into consideration her pre-2014 fame. Seems like recentism bias to me. Was she not notable and passing WP:GNG before she began peforming with her face obscured? It would have made more sense for the wig picture in the infobox if she performed with a face-obscuring wig from the very beginning of her career rather than so long into it. Another point I'd like to make is that by putting her wig picture in the post-2014 section of her career on the biography, the visual representation is much closer to the prose describing her on-stage persona and appearance. DrewieStewie (talk) 14:06, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. All available photos of sia are OLD. I kinda agree with putting a photo of her where she wears a wig, but there is only ONE from 2016. Wikipedia usually uses current photos of artists, I think everyone recognizes sia with or without a wig, but we don't have that many options to discuss what is the "best". ?Silencedoc¿22:22, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, Here is a video of Mincone "giving birth" to Ziegler at a Sia performance and a photo of both of them. Zieger is on the left. Mincone has often been misidentified as Ziegler. When Zieger was available (she was still a minor during Sia's last tour), she did the dance solos; Mincone only did them on tour when Ziegler was not available. Mincone has also danced for Taylor Swift and others. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:08, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Status quo / the one with her face People already know what Sia looks like. The images with the wig belong in the body of the article where it discusses her performing. Some1 (talk) 18:39,
I found the RfC to refer to her as Sia throughout the article. We should have something that explains why. Ssilvers [1]suggested we follow theidentified the example from Cher, which I've now done.which I followed. [2] - Hipal (talk) 03:05, 7 September 2023 (UTC) refactored --Hipal (talk) 19:34, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Hipal hi, sia didn't change her name, she was born with that name. The difference is that she doesn't use the surname furler, only in songwriting credits. ?Silencedoc¿17:39, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, I did not suggest any such thing. You made it up. I only said that the Cher article does not use the "known monomously as" model. I don't see what difference the legal name change would make (I have no idea whether Sia has done so), and I see no reason to clutter up the lead sentence. See Madonna, both of which are Good Articles. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:44, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
MOS is consensus. Anything else will require wide agreement. You realize that the Cher example doesn't apply for the reasons given, correct? If you can point to discussion on why Madonna is the way it is, as well as what her legal name is, please do so. Otherwise, it's WP:OSE. --Hipal (talk) 19:25, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, I disagree with you. I believe that you misunderstand the MOS. So we will have to wait for a wide agreement to change the status quo. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:26, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Disagreement doesn't mean we ignore our guidelines or policy. If no relevant examples can be given, there's no reason to waste further time trying to claim consensus against MOS. --Hipal (talk) 19:36, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The three examples at MOS:LEGALNAME are:
Timothy Alan Dick (born June 13, 1953), known professionally as Tim Allen
Alessandro di Mariano di Vanni Filipepi (c. 1445 – May 17, 1510), better known as Sandro Botticelli
Ariadna Thalía Sodi Miranda (born 26 August 1971), known mononymously as Thalía
The status quo is preferable. Again, you misunderstand the MOS. None of those examples have to do with a case like Madonna or Sia, where the mononym is the person's first name. See also Aaliyah and Usher (yet another Good Article), both of which are mentioned with approval in the MOS. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:57, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. Thank you. I'll look into it for discussions. MOS also gives [[Selena] as an example, which uses the third example from above. --Hipal (talk) 20:38, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, your argument is definitely WP:OSE. Clearly either way is correct, and equally clearly there is no consensus here to add the more cluttered alternative. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:51, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I reverted changes made by a user to this article and to Sia's discography article concerning her album OnlySee. The same user is working on a draft article for the album at Draft:Onlysee. At first, I thought the edits were vandalism, because the changes were made inconsistently throughout the article to some of the places that the album was mentioned, but not all. Now I see that there is a question as to how the name should be styled. Clearly, there is no space between the two words. The question is, should it be capitalized as:
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