Talk:Shinto in popular culture

Created page

This page was created to separate pop culture references from the more serious matters of Japanese native religion. The pop culture references can be expanded and discussed here. Shinto is an important religious topic and not subject to the common usage of names and references in Japanese pop culture manga, anime, video games, and other forms of non spiritual context. Please keep the discussion here and flesh out the complete and full implications of Japanese pop culture and its core in Shinto per modern format media. It has its place in this article and I want to see a full and thoughtful development. Takashi Ueki (talk) 05:45, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Please remember to describe materials that have relevant links to Shinto religious practice, stories, or deities. This means not adding, for example, fictional characters or objects that happen to share the name of a deity. Also, please remember to cite reliable sources, including secondary sources where possible, or primary sources at a minimum. Cnilep (talk) 01:55, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Popular culture lists are discouraged

Exhaustive lists of popular culture phenomena are discouraged. Furthermore, primary sources - that is, reference to the cultural work in question, as opposed to secondary discussions of the work - are considered insufficient to establish notability. This page will need to be carefully maintained and sourced to establish significance and to discourage the accumulation of listcruft. Otherwise, it may be a candidate for deletion. Cnilep (talk) 18:10, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Hide section editing?

It very often happens that editors add content to this page that is contrary to the selection criteria, especially characters or items named after deities from manga or other works of popular culture that are not directly influenced by Shinto. There is a hidden comment at the top of the page advising editors to make additions discerningly, use this talk page, and add references, but it is routinely ignored. I suspect that editors clicking the "edit" link on sections do not see this warning. Therefore, I would suggest hiding those links with the magic word __NOEDITSECTION__ (see Help:Section#Section editing).

Does anyone object to hiding section editing links on this page? Note that section editing is still possible with the links hidden, but it becomes less likely that inexperienced editors would edit sections without seeing the comment. Cnilep (talk) 05:30, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Hearing no objections, and seeing the n^th re-addition of Amaterasu is a word used in Naruto, I have added NOEDITSECTION. Cnilep (talk) 02:56, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Propose move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. There is clear consensus that although the article requires improvement, its current title is more suitable then proposed alternative. Staberinde (talk) 11:57, 9 February 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

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Shinto in popular culture → List of Shinto gods in popular culture – Standard practice is to title lists "List of...". Cnilep (talk) 03:10, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose - not that it isn't a reasonable nom on current state of the article, but here's the problem X in popular culture articles exist in part (I've forked off several screeds of anime and computer game trivia from the bottom of Hebrew Bible topics myself) to prevent "serious" articles getting daily IP additions. Yet Wikipedia:WikiProject Popular Culture may lack the manpower to follow these popular culture forks round adding requisite sources and social-literary analysis at the top of these articles. So they remain as lists. But they shouldn't. If this content is notable the article should come first and the list second. So if this stuff isn't notable enough for a paragraph of text at the top then AfD it. Don't bump it off into list-land and sweep it under the carpet. [That was more than 2 cents worth, excuse me]. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:57, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

A quick browse of serious academic sources quickly showed plentiful sources for just one sub-genre anime. As best I could I added one covering sentence and 5 refs under the anime section. It's not for me (knowing something about Shinto but zero about anime) to develop it further, but it shows that sources exist. These popular culture articles can be more than a drip-tray to keep trivia out of main articles, if those who add the trivia can be encouraged to think about developing their content. Maybe Wikipedia:WikiProject Editor Retention needs to invest in Wikipedia:WikiProject Popular Culture? In ictu oculi (talk) 04:12, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

• Comment as proposer: Alternately, I would be content to see this article changed into something other than a list. The additions by In ictu oculi are a first step in that direction. Also important, I think, would be rewriting the current content as prose rather than a bulleted list. Cnilep (talk) 04:19, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Cnilep. Evidently taken in the spirit I meant it. However entirely getting rid of bullets doesn't work, I can say from experience that some bullets are necessary to direct/assist/encourage new editors in adding their favourite anime/sci-fi novel/TV show/game/doom metal album in the relevant placeholder. Remove the bullets entirely and the pop culture article fails to act as a welcoming home for these additions. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:23, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose this isn't a list of gods, it's a Shinto the religion in popular culture. Though much of it is currently a list of popular culture items featuring Shinto deities, it should not be so narrowly focused as to remove all other aspects of Shinto that also appear in popular culture. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 04:51, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose as this list covers all of Shinto in popular culture. Feel free to expand areas other than those mentioning dieties to make the list more comprehensive. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 07:13, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
  • 65.92.180.137, Nihonjoe, your points about the scope of the proposed title is well taken—there is more to Shinto than gods or spirits. Do you have suggestions regarding my rationale (the article is currently a list) or In ictu oculi's suggestion that it be expanded with social and literary commentary? Cnilep (talk) 08:01, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
    • Exorcism by Shinto priestesses seems to be a popular "popular culture" topic, so can be expanded by examining critical commentary on movies on such subjects. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 09:58, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
      • As long as they are called "Shinto priestesses" (or miko) in the work. elvenscout742 (talk) 13:32, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose This article is not a list. It's trivia. A lot of it seems to be OR. I don't think a pop culture work that has some reference to the Kojiki or features a character based on some figure in Japanese mythology should be called "Shinto in popular culture" to begin with, but I can see attempts to take this article to the cutting-room getting controversial. (>_<) elvenscout742 (talk) 13:30, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Shichi-fuku-jin is not Shinto culture.

It is Japanese culture. 221.184.41.107 (talk) 17:08, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit notice

This page currently features an edit notice (see Template:Editnotices/Page/Shinto in popular culture or click to edit the page). I have suggested some changes to the wording of that notice at Template talk:Editnotices/Page/Shinto in popular culture. I believe the changes are uncontroversial; they are mainly taken from the hidden comment that used to appear at the top of the page. Interested editors are invited to comment or object here. Cnilep (talk) 01:15, 4 May 2013 (UTC)