Talk:Sheikh Bureik

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Did you know... that the Palestinian village of Sheikh Bureik was named for a local Muslim saint to whose shrine women seeking remedies for infertility would bring presents?

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It is mentioned (as living?) in 1940, and by 1946 it was uninhabited according to a map I have. So what happened? The closest villages in 1946 were Sede Ya'aqov (established 1927) and Qiryat 'Amal (established 1937), with Alonim (established 1938) slightly more distant. Zero^talk 09:28, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This Hebrew page on the history of Alonim describes the settlement of Sheik Abreik ( שייח-אבריק ). We need someone who reads Hebrew better than me! Zero^talk 09:43, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This Hebrew page says there was a village there "in the 19th century". Zero^talk 10:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I will consult the 1922 and 1931 census reports... Zero^talk 10:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Palestine Post of Jul 17, 1940 (p6) says that "A group of Palestine and German [Jewish] youth established their settlement at Sheik Abreik five years ago." Someone called Alexander Zeid lived in a house there until he was murdered in 1940. It also says that the Palestine Exploration Society was excavating there; maybe their report is what we need. Zero^talk 10:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol 6, p287 has this entry under "Colonies, Agricultural": Sheikh Abreik. Founded in 1925 on Jewish National Fund land in the Valley of Jezreel. Settled by the Hapoel Hamizrahi. Forest in memory of S. H. Landau, Hapoel Hamizrahi leader, is planted in the neighborhood of the village." Zero^talk 11:12, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kenneth Stein, The Land Question in Palestine, p60, has a table that says the lands of Harithiya, Shiekh Bureik and Harbaj, amounting to 23,894 dunams (14,244 dunams tenanted) were sold by the Sursock family. 59 tenants were evicted with 3,314 pounds compensation paid. I can't see the date or the buyer mentioned anywhere. Zero^talk 13:45, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This source (probably not "reliable") says it was 1921. This is consistent with a 1925 settlement date since buyers had to utilise the land within a small number of years or it reverted to the government. Zero^talk 13:54, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The claim of dispossession: Jewish land-settlement and the Arabs, 1878-1948 By Aryeh L. Avneri: p122,156-7, land purchase and 1931 court case. Zero^talk 14:03, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article needs to note the connection to Beth She'arim. Zero^talk 08:10, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I added a quick note about that under the new section on "Name". Do you think that's enough? Don't want to duplicate info already there. Tiamut^talk 08:45, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't you think it belongs in the History section? I'm thinking of a few sentences, not a duplication of Beth She'arim. Zero^talk 09:51, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm hesitant to include it in the history section because it seems that the history of Beth Shearim is discussed separately from that of the Arab village of Sheikh Bureik. However, we could include an archaeology section that discusses some of the discoveries made during the excavations which would cover some of the site's ancient history. Alternatively, we could, as you have suggested, include a few sentences based on what is in Beth Shearim presently in the history section here, if you believe it won't be making a SYNTH like conclusion. Tiamut^talk 10:11, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On second thought, I think you are right about including more in the history section about Beth Shearim and the history from then until the 15h century. Seems that the breaks in habitation are not so clear. This source [1] provides a lot of good information (and note that the entry is titled Beth Shearim but the Arabic name is noted as Sheikh Ibreik in parantheses). So its not SYNTH to discuss it here. I'll look for more sources too and add as is necessary before going ahead with the dYK nom.Tiamut^talk 10:17, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The identification of the site seems very well established and there are lots of sources for it. Also (getting a little into OR here), I overlaid a contour map from Mazar's excavation report, a mandate contour map, and the PEF map, and it is clear that the village was on top of the same hilltop, not just nearby. Zero^talk 10:36, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the sources seem to indicate the two names are synonyms, with some saying the Arabic name referred to the hilltop itself and others noting the village was situated on the hill under which the remains of the ancient city was found. The link above also indicates that habitation continued during the Byzantine period (and that the twon was not destroyed then as previously thought) and that there is evidence of a flourshing glass industry there during the Islamic period (circa 9th century). Anyway, I think that's enough evidence to make a case for including that history in the history section of this article. Thanks for bringing it up Zero. I will try to add now (or soon, since I do have some real life work to do). Tiamut^talk 10:43, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The first para of the history section at Beth She'arim was written by me so it must be correct :). The Hutteroth data (p158) is 22 Muslim families, Nahiya Shafa in Liwa Lajjun. Zero^talk 11:17, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

h ttp://www.biblewalks.com/Sites/BeitShearim.html ...this site has great pictures (but is spam-listed)..you can click on the "overview"-picture and get details. Incidentally; it also has a page on the Sheikh Bureik at Atlit. It is also fascinating, that "according to new traditions" (Lol! that´s even better than "brand new antiques") (see: h ttp://www.biblewalks.com/Sites/BeitShearim.html#SheikTomb ).."this tomb is named after Barak the son of Abinoam, the Biblical military hero".
And it sure looks as if the sites discussed here: User_talk:Al_Ameer_son#Sheik_Bureik and User_talk:Al_Ameer_son#Sheikh_Bureik ..had the two Sheik Abreik-places mixed up. And the Yakut-quote refers to the Atlit place. Huldra (talk) 22:15, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ready for DYK?

Shall I nominate it? Or does anyone want to add anything before I do? As for the hook, what do you think of:
...that the Palestinian village of Sheikh Bureik was named for a local Muslim saint who was believed to have imbued a nearby swamp with healing powers?
OR, ...that the Palestinian village of Sheikh Bureik was named for a local Muslim saint to whose shrine women seeking remedies for infertility would bring presents? Tiamut^talk 09:43, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nah, go ahead. You have really done a great job. I don´t have any strong opinion about hooks..but perhaps the second one? (opting for a female angle ;) ) Cheers,Huldra (talk) 22:15, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

the 1945 census; new Jewish locations:

The 1945 census mentions a whole lot of (wholly Jewish) settlement which are on Sheikh Bureik-land: on p.47: El Ro-i, Giv'ot Zeid, on p.48: Qiryat 'Amal, (is this Nir David??) ..on p.49: Qirat Haroshet, Sede Ya'aqov, Sh'ar ha 'Amaqim. ...Should we mention this, somewhere? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 09:53, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is complicated. See the History section of Kiryat Tiv'on. Nir David says it was founded as Tel Amal and is near Beisan, not here. The map below shows the situation in 1943. Notice there are two locations marked "Esh Sh. Bureik". The former village was located at the lower one (where there is a small black blob). The upper one was a Jewish settlement; I wish I could remember where I read a description of it. On the map you can see Qiryat 'Amal, Alonim, Sede Ya'aqov , Sha'ar ha'Amaqim, Qiryat Haroshet and Elroi. Also notice Mesheq Zeid which is the place where Zeid built his house. I should make a version showing the location of former Arab villages and (maybe) the location of modern places.Zero^talk 12:54, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That would be very useful, I think. Possibly cut off some of the map on the left? As mentioned above, I find the pictures here: h ttp://www.biblewalks.com/Sites/BeitShearim.html (rm the open space...the place is spam-listed)..useful. Note that the aerial view is taken from the *north* towards the south; those long buildings to the left would be the Jewish settlement "Esh Sh. Bureik", I assume. And Sheikh Bureik, the village, would be situated very much where the picture say "center of the city". Cheers, Huldra (talk) 14:08, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Any date for the maqam building?

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