Talk:Sheikh Badr, Jerusalem

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Does anyone have any sources for this entry? As far as I knew Sheikh Badr was a district of Jerusalem but not the name of a specific town. Tiamut 01:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not a one. Probably another unfounded myth. Especially considering it was bought from Greek Orthodox Patriarchate, although I cant source that myself. Not to mention the random link at the bottom. This should be marked for deletion.--Metallurgist (talk) 22:41, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not a myth.

Its described in Benny Morris' work as an Arab "suburb-village" of Jerusalem [1]. He has some information about its depopulation in 1948.

Moshe Gil describes it as neighbourhood of Jerusalem, just outside the wall of the Old City [2] that is today "the Qirya". Tiamut^talk 23:13, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ruth Kark and Michal Oren-Nordheim (the former being probably the leading expert on the geography of Jerusalem in the past century) call it a "small village" in "Colonial Cities in Palestine? Jerusalem Under the British Mandate", Israel Studies, Vol.3, No.2 (Winter 1996), pp.50-94. In the book "Jerusalem and its Environs" by those two authors, p163, it is said to have been founded by Muslims in the 1920s, which explains why it is not on the PEF map. You can see it on this 1943 map as Esh Sh. Badr directly east of Deir Yassin (which incidentally shows that the more southerly location given in this article is not correct). As further identification of the location, Kark and Oren-Nordheim say "today the area of the International Convention Center and the Crowne Plaza Hotel" (book p151). Zero^talk 03:19, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On second thoughts, the 1943 shows the location of the tomb of Sheikh Badr. The position currently given in this article is on the Hebrew University Campus which is not the same. Google's location for International Convention Center and the Crowne Plaza Hotel (which are adjacent) is 31.785685,35.202738. Zero^talk 04:16, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I overlaid the 1943 map on a Google map that shows the International Convention Center. The position of the tomb is either right on Begin Freeway or on the small parallel road on its west where there are a few hotels. (I stayed there at least 3 times.) The ICC is 300m due East. By a non-Google method I get coords 31.7846, 35.2021 for the ICC. On the PEF map it corresponds to "Kh. Khamis" (Khurbet el Khamis). A Gazeteer of Dauphin also gives the name el Fakhura. Zero^talk 05:05, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the tall building behind the house in the photo is the Crowne Plaza Hotel (it is written at the top). Zero^talk 06:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Benny Morris' "The Historiography of Deir Yassin" calls it "an IZL-occupied former Arab area in West Jerusalem". Haim Sandberg, Jerusalem: Land Title Settlement and Expropriation, The Journal of Israeli History, Vol.23, No.2, Autumn 2004, pp.216–231, says "Indeed, the first land settlement actions in Jerusalem were executed in the borderland territories (the Katamons, Ramat Rahel, Kastel) and in the Arab villages that had been abandoned during the war, such as Ein Karem, Lifta, Deir Yassin (Givat Sha’ul), Malha (Manhat) and the Kiryah (Sheikh Badr)." The name "Kiryah" refers to the seat of government, presumably the region where the Knesset is, though it is not being suggested that the Knesset lies on the former location of Sheikh Badr. Zero^talk 03:30, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Information on the events of 1948 is in Nathan Krystall, The De-Arabization of West Jerusalem 1947-50, Journal of Palestine Studies, Volume 27, Issue 2 (Winter, 1998), 5-22, and quite a lot in Morris (2004). Zero^talk 03:37, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Palestine Post, July 21, 1949, p4, refers to an excavation at "the dominating hilltop of Sheikh Badr, near Romema... This research became more urgent when the site, commanding a view of northern Judea, was selected for Jerusalem's New Congress Hall." More on the excavations in PP August 17, 1949, p4. An attack on Sheikh Badr (spelled "Bader") by Lehi is described in PP Jan 12, 1948, p1. It says the mukhtar's house was blown up; the fact that there was a mukhtar at all proves it was an established Arab location at that time. In PP Jan 18, 1948, story about "some Jews" looting Arab houses in the Sheikh Bader Quarter. And lots more, search for "Sheikh Badr" and "Sheikh Bader" here. Zero^talk 05:47, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Metallurgist, kindly withdraw your deletion request. Zero^talk 03:44, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Knesset

The site of the Knesset spans two pre-1948 cadastral blocks: 135 (Karm Sili) and 158 (Wad Esh Sheikh). These were about 1km south of blocks 137, 156 and 168 (Esh-Sheikh Bader). The name of the blocks doesn't necessarily indicate ownership. Zero^talk 07:41, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]