Talk:Sheffield City Centre

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was no consensus. —harej (talk) (cool!) 02:59, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sheffield City Centre → Sheffield city centre —

Sheffield City Centre → Sheffield city centre — "city centre" is not a proper noun. — 81.111.114.131 (talk) 03:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But it can be part of a proper name? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This article is about the city centre of Sheffield. 81.111.114.131 (talk) 04:47, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - The article is about a district of Sheffield. Just like every other district in the city the official name would be a proper noun. I don't know, however, if this district actually has an official name. I, and everyone I know, has always called it town. If the official name were Sheffield City Centre, then it should be treated as a proper noun. If there is an official name other than that, the article, if moved at all, should be moved to the official name. —Jeremy (talk) 05:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Proper names are those of specific entities. The name of the city is Sheffield - this name distinguishes it from other cities. "City centre" is a social construct which doesn't really have a defined boundary (unless you're in Coventry, where the ring road does a good job). The name "Sheffield city centre" doesn't distinguish it from other places - rather it describes something that belongs to the city. Things which belong to other things are generally common rather than proper. Hence, phrases such as "Eccles cake", "Glasgow kiss", etc. There is an exception in "London Town", but that is mostly poetic. 81.111.114.131 (talk) 06:17, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, look at Belfast City Centre for example, also if you look at the Government site, "City Centre" is never used in lowercase, Wiki should reflect official government usuage. Pahari Sahib 15:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support - not a proper name. I don't think it's definitive, but the council website does refer to it in lower-case in most of its prose (e.g. This section aims to provide information for visitors to the city centre and includes information about... at [1]) --VinceBowdren (talk) 18:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The opposition was not quite solitary; among participants, there are two supporters, one opposed, and one person who did not state a position but did question the requested move on some ground. That is not exactly a clear consensus, especially once you consider the concerns raised by Pahari Sahib. You are welcome to keep discussing the page move. —harej (talk) (cool!) 13:30, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What concerns would those be? I wasn't aware that Sheffield City Council was an authority on English grammar. The council gets it wrong. Our article on Belfast city centre gets it wrong. Please explain why this is an excuse to get it wrong again. 81.110.104.91 (talk) 18:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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