Talk:Sheep farming in Wales

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Did you know... that sheep farming in Wales (pictured) led to the development of Dre-fach Felindre in the Teifi valley, which became known as the "The Huddersfield of Wales"?

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political correctness

"The National Wool Museum of Wales is located in Dre-fach Felindre, near Llandysul in Carmarthenshire and is part of the National Museum Wales. After refurbishing, the museum was reopened in 2004. Sheep farming is closely associated with Wales culturally and is often the subject of "lewd jokes and anti-Welsh sentiment" especially by the English." -cultural significance

It doesn't even use the phrase "sheep-shagger", which is what that's referring to. Ezza1995 (talk) 11:32, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a suitable source? (... and not mint, thanks). Martinevans123 (talk) 11:52, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes.^[1] Ezza1995 (talk) 18:35, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's certainly in the headline. But the case is slightly undermined by Mr Taaffe's own explanation for his criminal abuse, and Mitchell's commentary: "Calling someone a sheep-shagger is a term for people living in the countryside," he claimed. Not for Welsh people, he's saying. It's not about race or nationality, but location and way of life. So it's not racist." Martinevans123 (talk) 18:41, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How about this?^[2]Ezza1995 (talk) 18:48, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, better. It says "Nowadays, traditional sheep-shagging jokes are mostly directed at the inhabitants of Wales, one of the few ethnic minorities at whom it's apparently still OK to hurl gratuitous insults." (Although I'm not sure Mr. Taaffe would agree with the last bit). But the Daily Mail is not considered a WP:RS. The word "often" in the article might be difficult to source, I suspect. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:57, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The boringly correct answer is that "sheep shagger" is not a term of abuse solely aimed at the Welsh - as this indicates, it can be used against any rural dwellers. It certainly is used against Welsh people - here, for instance - but that doesn't justify a specific reference being made in this article. The cited source refers to "lewd jokes and anti-Welsh sentiment", so we should stick with that. We should not be using the Mail as a source for anything. Nothing at all to do with "political correctness", by the way. Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:09, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I had assumed Ezza was hell-bent on getting the term "sheep-shagger" into the article, lest anyone would think it was referring to something else (like "wool-worrier" or "lamb-letcher", and so on). Martinevans123 (talk) 19:14, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that's what that section of the article is referring to. I'm not going to edit it and put it in because someone will just revert it. However, not acknowledging the existence of the label 'sheep shagger' that is often put onto the Welsh people would be censoring. See Wikipedia is not censored. Ezza1995 (talk) 22:18, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'd have no problem with using the term if a suitable source, which adequately supports the claim, could be found. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:22, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What Ezza1995 says is not supported by the facts. The source says "lewd jokes and anti-Welsh sentiment". If Ezza thinks that the term "sheepshagging" is "what that section of the article is referring to", that's pure original research, which is not allowed. It's nothing to do with "censorship" - it's to do with reporting, correctly, what reliable sources are telling us. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:32, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

[1] ttp://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/05/david-mitchell-racism-insults-wales

[2] ttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-65045/The-great-Welsh-divide.html

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