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On 2 April 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to She'll Be Coming Round the Mountain. The result of the discussion was not moved.

football chants

In fact - 'Ten German Bombers' is sung to the tune of 'Ten Geen Bottles'.

The US fans do not sing the song quoted. Just try and sing it - it does not fit at all.

In fact it is, unsurprisingly an English song sung to european teams:

"If it wasn't for the Brits you'd be Krauts" etc. --12:57, 16 March 2007 58.165.27.183

Mother Jones

Try as I might, I've been unable to locate any credible confirmation for the assertion that Mother Jones was an inspiration for this folk song. I had never even come across any such notion until I saw it in this article, despite having read extensively about Mother Jones for an article I wrote about her 15 years ago. As near as I can determine, all of the references to this suggestion that turn up on the internet originate with this very Wikipedia article — which provides no citation. Unless somebody can provide a credible source, this material should be removed. Cgingold 05:44, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My original source was "An American Songbag" from Carl Sandburg. My old library had a 1927 copy of the book. I also found a similar reference in another book on folk music, which I cannot recall at the moment, but will add as a secondary source when I find it. Hope this helps! Marcusito 17:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC) (F.K.A. Marcuse)[reply]

Hey, thanks for your response, Marcusito! Sorry it took so long for me to check in again (I did check for a couple of days, guess I just missed you.) I was very doubtful about the story, so this is a good start toward credible sourcing. I would still want to know more detail about what Sandburg had to say on the subject, and ideally, whether it has support anywhere else. I hope you can find that other book and report back on what it has to say. Thanks again. Cgingold 11:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Editing Comment in Main Article

Someone had written a comment under the "sources" section of the article. I removed it.

The comment said:

"The word Riden' was changed to Drivin' No-one rides six horses they drive them as in a team hooked to a wagon or coach."

If the word is documented as "riden'" (or some such) in an early source, it should be left that way regardless of whether or not it makes sense to anyone. I assume the lyrics came from Sandburg. Whoever has the book, ought to check it, and restore the lyrics if appropriate. ColmCille (talk) 12:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

50+ years ago we used to sing this in grammer school. It always brightened the day. When it came to the part where we sang it in 'rounds,' I used to think it was so pretty that this must be what heaven sounds like. Great memory.66.82.124.113 (talk) 14:26, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I always thought it was "six wide horses." I suppose white makes more sense. 203.116.31.109 (talk) 01:30, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would also like to point out 'Coming Round The Mountain' is not an American folk song. It originally was written in Scotland. 87.112.64.131 (talk) 11:06, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any source for that assertion? Every one cited thus far points to an American origin. Venqax (talk) 16:08, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Even 2/3 of a century ago when I was very young, I always took this to be a railroad song. No one ever told me that. "coming 'round the mountain" makes me think of the Pennsylvania Railroad at Harrisburg. "driving six white horses" would refer to the six driving wheels painted white, perhaps a "2-6-4". The versions that I heard were always "driving". agb — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.233.167.51 (talk) 16:32, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Modern political inferences

I suspect that the claim that the song is "probably a coded anthem for the Underground Railroad" owes more to early 21st century obsession with race, than with the historical reality. The song was clearly a religious one, using the imagery of a train. The train reflects religious ideas, not political ones.203.80.61.102 (talk) 04:49, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with the above. There is no reason presented to make the assumption that an Underground RR reference was intended, or even that the origins of the song are "Afro-American" at all. Both are ideas bear the marks of modern, politically motivated anachronisms.[User:Venqax|Venqax]] (talk) 16:14, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Negro spiritual"?

In the background section, the article says, "Sandburg reports that the negro spiritual 'When the Chariot Comes'..." Is "negro spiritual" really appropriate language? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF8F:C20:C0E6:1FDD:5DE:C24E (talk) 06:59, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

From today's perspective it is not. That being said, removing the word "negro" could be considered a misquote, since Sandburg explicitly used the term "negro spiritual". However, we could put it in quote marks and tag it with a "[sic!]". --Nachtbold (talk) 20:50, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Vi kan kjøpe hele Sverige om vi vil"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hSO7x8oLnI
Widely known in Scandinavia, as Norwegian football supporters have been chanting this for a while, especially when playing against Sweden. It's a joke about Norway being rich enough to completely buy Sweden - but actually a half-serious reference to the Norwegian Oil Fund. --BjKa (talk) 23:23, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Could Rev. G. Sanborn have originated the song?

Could it of originated in 1867, wrote by Rev. G. Sanborn of Gilford New Hampshire? [sic] https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn88078580/1875-06-11/ed-1/seq-1/#date1=1777&sort=date&rows=20&words=coming+ll+mountain+round+she+She+she%27ll&searchType=basic&sequence=0&index=1&state=&date2=1963&proxtext=She%27ll+Be+Coming+%27Round+the+Mountain&y=13&x=9&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.162.147 (talk) 12:35, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the words don't match and the meter doesn't match; has any scholarly or folkloric source connected the two? --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 16:27, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2 April 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Two literally oppositions against one. No credible sources where the apostrophe was removed. (non-admin closure) Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She'll Be Coming 'Round the Mountain → She'll Be Coming Round the Mountain – The apostrophe preceding the word "round" is not needed. Zacwill (talk) 22:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). – robertsky (talk) 14:21, 2 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ❯❯❯ Raydann ^(Talk) 17:51, 16 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ASUKITE 17:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only one source cited in the article has the song name in its title, and it uses "Around". The apostrophe seems needed to indicate the omission of the "A" at the beginning of that word. The Carl Sandburg source uses "Comin' Round", which also has an apostrophe, although in a different place. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Songs and WikiProject Roots music have been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 17:29, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Not looking to drag this out too much longer, but hoping that the project notifications generate a little more participation ASUKITE 17:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don't think I’ve ever seen it without the apostrophe. Not coming to round the mountain up. Hyperbolick (talk) 04:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.