Talk:Shanghai (2010 film)

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do we have a us or worldwide release date yet for this movie? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1234456556BK (talk • contribs) 04:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Saw it on Thai TV tonight.Sushisurprise (talk) 14:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Continuation of a discussion at Oddbodz talk page regarding his/hers recent edit adding a list of Guns to Shanghai (2010 film)

Please use the talk page at the article to support your inclusion of a Gun list to a movie's article. Please add any references from reliable secondary sources as to why you feel that inclusion of a list of guns to a movie's article is notable. You are required to support your inclusions to the Encyclopedia, please do so. 12.144.158.7 (talk) 18:06, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

The article is on a notable topic. The section on guns simply adds to the article about the movie. Not every single inch of an article needs to be notable in its own right. Actualy, you are required to support why you feel the section should be removed as there is currently a large concencuss to the section being removed (from what I can tell, you are the only user who feels it should be removed). If you would like to see it removed, please discuss this on the talk page before removing it. Thanks. Oddbodz (talk) 18:09, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Seriously? It's a list of guns. I doubt you've even opened the article or viewed the edit differences. I can think of no other film article that contains such a specious list of guns right down to a ridiculous internal link to double barreled shotgun. Have you any references as to why you believe any/all of these are in the least bit notable in regards our historical record of this never released in the US (its home market) film which returned less than 1/5 of its cost to make?12.144.158.7 (talk) 18:19, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

I stand corrected, Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers also has a "list of guns". I guess you and at least one other person think such lists are encyclopedic. Good for you two.12.144.158.7 (talk) 18:22, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

I have reviewd the edit diferences and I still feel that the section could say. I ask you, why shouldn't it be in the article if it does not take away from it? The second part of your reply seems to be questioning the notability of the article itself. If you feel the article is not notiable, consider placing a request at WP:AfD. Thanks, Oddbodz (talk) 18:23, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Nothing in my responses can be mistaken for my questioning the notability of the article itself. I state, "Please add any references from reliable secondary sources as to why you feel that inclusion of a list of guns to a movie's article is notable." and follow later with, "Have you any references as to why you believe any/all of these are in the least bit notable in regards our historical record of this...?". My edits are clear, I ask what is so notable about the Guns that it requires an unsubstantiated list? I have seen few, if any, movie reviews or scholarly criticism that identifies or discusses prop handguns or rifles by name - I therefore question why it is notable for the encyclopedia if it is not found notable in those sources which purport to be the foundation for our edits here?12.144.158.7 (talk) 18:33, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Greetings, I am an uninvolved editor responding here to a request for third opinion made at WP:3O. I have looked over the proposed edit, and it is not clear why this embedded list of weapons is relevant to the rest of the article or particularly important to an understanding of the movie. The manual of style section on triva applies, and the list should be excluded. If reliable secondary sources indicate that this movie is particularly notable as a showcase of these weapons, or for example the first film appearance of a notable weapon, that might be a good argument to revisit whether the list should be included (perhaps in a modified form since prose is preferred). VQuakr (talk) 05:03, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

I had giving a 3O here on my to-do list but VQuakr beat me to it, so let me give a "4O" as another uninvolved editor. I concur fully with VQuakr, and would add that WP:INDISCRIMINATE and, especially, WP:UNDUE both suggest that this detailed list of guns is inappropriate to this short article. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 19:48, 15 January 2013 (UTC) PS: There is also, now I think about it, also an original research issue as to the items in the list, since the list is unsourced and, therefore, only sourced to the film itself as a primary source. Unless the film specifically says in dialog or on a label on a box or tag or something similar shown on screen that a particular revolver shown in the film is a Smith & Wesson Model 10, to identify it as such requires a violation of that part of the WP:PRIMARY policy (which is part of the No original research policy) which says, "Do not analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so." While the film may identify the guns used with that level of identification, the fact that it does ought to be proven before the list is added back in. — TM 20:21, 15 January 2013 (UTC)