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Heroes for Hire

Previews for Heroes for Hire show that Shang is with that team.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Douglasdanger (talk • contribs) 19:50, 6 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Midnight Sun

Originally this character is called just Midnight. He was not called Midnight Sun until after his resurrection. The character was NOT mute, so the mute reference was deleted (See Special Marvel Edition #16)FrankWilliams 09:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Black Jack Tarr

I've read many Shang-Chi issues. Apart from calling Shang-Chi 'Chinaman', Tarr has exhibited absolutely no racist attitudes. And even then, come on. When you help save the world from evil cultists, don't you get some leeway in ribbing your best friend? In short, I think the Tarr section should be toned down. Lots42 02:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

Can't anyone post a better picture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.238.78.199 (talk) 01:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Orange

Nowhere is it mentioned that during the entire run of the series, Shang-Chi is always colored orange. Leiko was not. Unpleasant though it may be, this should be addressed as Marvel did such a poor job depicting non-white races, and foolishly dipped into "orange" for their Asian character. Jury's out as to whether this was better than the extreme pale yellow used for Fu-Manchu and Yellow Claw. 72.42.186.94 (talk) 04:09, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Split to Master of Kung Fu (comics)

There seems to be a fairly clear and easy dividing line in the current version of the article between the character of Shang-Chi, and the first title he appeared in. I think it's worth having a separation as we can look at the title as its own work, and the character who has taken on a life of his own beyond the original series. 73.168.15.161 (talk) 00:48, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sex Change?

article mentions that new film is to have an asian director.

ummm....isn't it more important that the character is to be FEMALE now? 173.9.95.217 (talk) 18:37, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Where did you get that idea? 182.1.111.160 (talk) 03:48, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese Characters / Translation

Either the characters are incorrect, the translation is incorrect, or someone purposely included an incorrect translation of the characters as they are written now.

@Tsujimasen:It looks like this has gone back and forth a few times recently. Can you quote which you think is incorrect, and which you think is correct? Then people can make some arguments. One of the change notes seems to indicate they are trying to use "Marvel's official translation" with "尚氣", when it used to be "上氣", but I don’t know what’s what. -2pou (talk) 20:33, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone actually have a source for the Chinese characters used in the note for his name? I'm inclined to believe that these were simply added by someone with knowledge of Chinese trying to put "Shang-Chi" into characters. I'm not sure if that's the right way to go about it. Maybe it doesn't end up being different, but "Shang-Chi" was selected as the name in order to translate into "The rising and advancing of a spirit" as Englehart felt this was a theme in his writing (See here). I've seen the following people make edits, so I'll see if specific pings add to the discussion:
Mainly @JimmyStardust: you first changed the characters to 尚氣 in this edit, citing it as "Marvel's official translation". Did you see these characters in an issue somewhere or on Marvel's site?You seem the most convinced restoring it multiple times, and removing one of Wowmytimes' additions labeled "simplified" Chinese. @Hyju:you also supported this version.
@Lowellian: you first added 上氣 here way back near the beginning of the article. Do you remember where that came from? Also, @Lipshiz:, @Shawn04179: you restored this translation here and here. Was there a particular reference?
@Wowmytimes: you added multiple translations here (Chinese: 尚气; simplified Chinese: 上气; traditional Chinese: 尚氣). Was this from your knowledge and translating the words "Shang-Chi" into multiple character types? Or did you see it documented somewhere?
Note that Abacus and Weibo have also used these characters "上气" to throw into the mix as well (looks to be what Wowmytimes had as Simplified Chinese).
And I know nothing about Chinese, but I found it interesting when I read this article "A Crazy Rich Asians Star Wants Marvel To Make A Big Change To Shang-Chi" where Ronny Chieng believes Marvel to be officially using 上氣 and "Rising Spirit". I wondered why he thought it was written that way in the comics. It must not be if it's being changed so much here as the "Official" translation, and I'm guessing he got it from here on Wikipedia (it's definitely not just "Rising Spirit" in the comics). -2pou (talk) 18:07, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

上氣 (traditional Chinese) and 上气 (simplified Chinese) are the same name in two different writing systems. It was a widely adopted but unofficial translation in China. When Marvel announced Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings in July, its official Weibo translated Shang-Chi as 尚气 (in simplified Chinese), which corresponds to 尚氣 in traditional Chinese. --JimmyStardust (talk) 18:43, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

According to Steve Englehart and Jim Starlin, the character creators, Shang Chi's name was originally sourced from an English translaton of the I-CHING. Unfortunately, neither Steve or Jim were fluent in any Chinese dialect, written or spoken. Furthermore, any English translation of the I-CHING from that time period would have used the old Wade-Giles romanization/pronunciation rather than modern standard Pinyin.

- 上 and 尚 are both pronounced "shàng", They are phonetically identical and sound the same.

- 上氣 (traditional Chinese) and 上气 (simplified Chinese) are phonetically correct Chinese ideograms.

- The Weibo translations, 尚氣 (traditional Chinese) and 尚气 (simplified Chinese), are also phonetically correct Chinese ideograms.

However, 上 literally translates to "over" or "above", while 尚 literally translates to "yet". Therefore, 上氣 (traditional Chinese) or 上气 (simplified Chinese) is the superior translation. Although, a more precise literal translation is 升氣 (traditional Chinese) or 升气 (simplified Chinese). Phonetically, 升 is pronounced "shēng" and literally translates to "rise", "go up", "ascend" and "promote".--104.235.80.189 (talk) 11:18, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Spider-Man 1981

In the beginning of the episode "Wrath of the Sub-Mariner" from Spider-Man 1981 animated cartoon, a kung fu fighter very similar to Shang-Chi fights Kingpin and loses.Hyju (talk) 18:33, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Shang-Chi in Chinese

The Chinese name of Shang-Chi should be translated as (simplified Chinese: 尚气; traditional Chinese: 尚氣), in which "尚" literally translates to "encourage", "worship" or "respect", as the ancient Chinese vocabulary "尚武". "尚氣" is an elegant expression and extended meaning for "rising of the spirit". I think this is the reason why the official Weibo chose "尚氣", not a literal translation "上氣".

P.S. The ancient Chinese dictionaries Guangya and Shuowen Jiezi Zhu interpret the word "尚" as "尚，上也。皆積絫加高之意。義亦相通也。", which literally means "'尚' is a phonetic loan character of '上'. The two characters both mean heightened by accumulation. The meanings of two characters are also the same.". - Shiizhang (talk) 03:22, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 November 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 07:35, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shang-Chi → Shang-Chi (character)
Shang-Chi (disambiguation) → Shang-Chi

– the 2021 movie Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings gets 25000 views a day and this page gets 3000 but I believe people are looking for the movie. As there is a separate article for the film character, a soundtrack, a film, and the Marvel character, I thinka disambiguation page is warranted for "Shang-Chi". There will be sequels and possibly spin-off series in the future, so this will help readers find what they want although most readers are most likely looking for the film. Marty2Hotty (talk) 20:32, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as unnecessary. There's no topic here that isn't directly related to the fictional character called Shang-Chi, and the movie is a WP:PTM. Why would someone searching this name prefer a small DAB page that only lists articles directly covered in this article? Nohomersryan (talk) 22:10, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The film is a WP:PTM, so the character is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. This structure is also commonplace among comics characters with MCU adaptations, so I see no reason why Shang-Chi should be an exception. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:29, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The lead link or a hatnote is plenty sufficient to point to the film the rare times a user needs it. -- Netoholic @ 03:44, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as unnecessary, per above comments. BOZ (talk) 14:01, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – The comic book character is the primary topic, so such a move would be unnecessary and contrary to Wikipedia policy. CentreLeftRight ✉ 00:56, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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