Talk:Sethi

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There is an ancient community in Sri Lanka called the Colombo Chetties which also traces its ancestry to sethis in the Benares and Coorg areas The late President J R Jayawardena too belonged to this clan so are the Lamkarna Dynasty which ruled Sri Lankan for 350 years. a more detailed account could be had from the Google serch under The Colombo Chetties written by me.

More info in this regard will be greatly appreciated, also could someone tell me if these clans are connected. ?

Shirley Pulle Tissera

The above comment was placed in the main article by 203.81.109.121, I have moved it here. --Crusio 10:06, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Sethi's are definitely NOT connected with the Chetties, because the Sethi's trace their ancestry with indo-sycthian's from the region of North Afghanistan and Eastern Iran. Where as the Chetties belong to the Vaisya Caste, and trace their ancestry with the Tamils,

The Ricky Sethi's community link is specific to his family. I don't think it should be listed. --Firehazrd (talk) 19:29, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Request to include Sethi as jatt community

pls as i saw that users "Vigyani" and "Sigma bot" are not of this view, so please correct the information provided on wikipediau. Devil badshah (talk) 16:31, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First you should stop creating new accounts. That is against wikipedia policies. Please read WP:SOCK. 2nd Sigma bot is not a real user, it is just a computer program. 3rd, as I have been telling you via edit summaries, you need to bring reference about the fact you state. Everything on WP is verifiable. Please read WP:VER. It is not that I am against your view about Sethi as Jatt community, but how do I know that it is correct, how do I know that you are not lying.--Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 16:50, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No sethi isn't jatt they are khatri info here is wrong

Mr.Jacob Frye (talk) 00:55, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry sethi are jatt sorry for wrong info earlier Mr.Jacob Frye (talk) 04:35, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sethi,(ਸੇਥੀ) also known as Seti or Sathi is a common surname among Jat Sikh clans of the Punjabi and Rajasthani people. Although this gotra of jatt clan has similar spell with Sethi clan of khatri sikhs who adapted Sikhism during the 18th and 19th centuries and originally followed Hinduism. Both are entirely different gotras although they have similar spell, jatt clan being called as ਸੇਥੀ whereas khatri sikh clan being called as ਸੇਠੀ.

According to Major A.E. Barstow, Sethi were very good soldiers due to the influence of Sikhism, and possessed more of a marital status. Barstow further comments, that due to their diet and their fondness for wrestling (something encouraged and taught by Guru Angad to the Sikh people) and weightlifting, they possessed good physical attributes for soldiery. According to R. W. Falcon, Sethi Jat Sikhs (alongside other Sikhs) were seen as a good source for recruitment. According to Captain A. H. Bingley they were particularly loyal soldiers.

In Rajasthan and Malwa region of Punjab, there are many Sethis which are muslim jatts.

Sethi are a traditionally agricultural community in Northern India. Over the years, several sethi Jats abandoned agriculture in favour of urban jobs, and used their dominant economic and political status to claim higher social status.In Punjab (India), Sethi are associated with agricultural pursuits and land ownership. They often reside in the rural areas, and are economically influential in the state.

In addition to the conventional Sarva Khap Panchayat, there are regional Jat Mahasabhas affiliated to the All India Jat Mahasabha to organize and safeguard the interests of the community, which held its meeting at regional and national levels to take stock of their activities and devise practical ways and means for the amelioration of the community

Refrences

1.History of the Sikhs, by J.D. Cunningham, Satvic Media, Amritsar, 2002, ISBN 81-87526-04-1 2.1. ↑ Jat History Dalip Singh Ahlawat/Parishisht-I, s.n. स-78 2. ↑ O.S.Tugania:Jat Samuday ke Pramukh Adhar Bindu,p.63,s.n. 2512 3.-" The spiritual heritage of Punjab" written by jaswant singh neki 4. Thakur Deshraj: Jat Itihas (Hindi), Maharaja Suraj Mal Smarak Shiksha Sansthan, Delhi, 1934 5. Ratan Saldi (6 June 2009). "Caste System Among Sikhs In Punjab". Asian Tribune. 6. The Sikh Revolution By Jagjit Singh

Mr.Jacob Frye (talk) 03:44, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

unlocking

sigma bot please unlock this page Devil badshah (talk) 05:20, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

read my reply above.--Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 10:33, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

talk to editor

vigyani bro i want to contact you how can i? another thing, as i live in punjab, i am sure and 100% that sethis are jatts.even my few close one are sethis and also jatts. now i dont know how can i provide a source. please help bro. Devil badshah (talk) 04:18, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, we can talk here only. But one thing, you do not need to create new section every time. You can indent your post/messages in the same section. For that you can click on the edit button close to each section or just click below the last message in a given discussion to add your response or reply.

Now about Sethi's. Sethi's are both Jatt(Sikh) and Hindus, which is same with most of the Arora/Khatri castes. While I do now know personally any Jatt Sethi, I know some Hindu sethi's who are essential businessmen or bananiyas (shopkeeper). Sethi's in Malout are Hindus.--Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 04:44, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Now about adding the information to Wikipedia. The problem is that everything we add into Wikipedia should be verifiable i.e. it should have proper sources. Reason is while you and me can believe that Sethi are Jatt or Hindu etc. A person from a totally different area for example from Africa won't know this for sure. So when he will read on Wikipedia, he may want to verify the information. In simple words, just assume that someone from Canada says that Sethi's are not Jatt or Hindu, Sethi's are christian or something else (just an example). He may also say that I know some sethi's who are christians. So to resolve such situations wikipedia has made the rule or policy to that all the information on wikipedia should have valid sources.
What are the sources. Sources are any newspaper report, any book, any survey done by a reputed agency for example a news published in Tribune, Ajit or Jagbani etc which says that Sethi belongs to this communities. When such a source is found, then that information can be added.
Like you, I also want to add many facts and information to various wikipedia articles, which I believe to be true, but I can not added if I do not find any source to support my claim. So they I try to do google search, read newspapers, try to find books on the subject etc.

I hope above posts answers some of your questions. You can always more questions. A very useful to ask questions is WP:Teahouse, where plenty of experience editors are ready to help.--Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 04:44, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Sethi are jatt change it ur wrong Mr.Jacob Frye (talk) 04:13, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

the edits made in the topic"Sethi"

The above edits made by me in the topic are provided refernce from the highest Sikh Centre "AKAL TAKHT". No further edits to be made hereby. Any disputes invited to Punjab High Court. Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh Akash singh sandhu (talk) 05:09, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Although I do not see any problem with your recent edits, but note that legal threat are not allowed on Wikipedia. The line you mentioned about "Any disputes invited to Punjab High Court" is a legal threat. I will ask you to withdraw it. On an other note, you seems to as some one who actually want to contribute to wikipedia. So I suggest you try to follow wikipedia policies, which will only help you more.--Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 05:31, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dear i am currently working as an e-affairs officer for gurudwaras. Someone brought to my notice that some information provided in wikipedia regarding some personalities(sikh), and castes have misinterpreted and are vandalizing sikh people's policies. Being a government official, and sticking to my duty, i will have to solve disputes, if any regarding the above subjects. So anything violating the above conditions is welcomed in Punjab High Court. Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru klji ki fateh Akash singh sandhu (talk) 05:58, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok i will withdraw it but i wish that there should be no further misinterpretations about the information provided on wikipedia. Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji kicfateh Akash singh sandhu (talk) 06:00, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Sandhu, I understand that there are many inaccuracies in various articles related to Sikhs and I will be more then happy to help you in removing the mistakes. But please understand that by welcoming people to Punjab High Court, you are issuing a legal threat. Please read No legal threats, which is very strict policy of wikipedia and editors are quickly blocked for violating this policy. So you either delete the "Punjab high court" line you have written twice or comment at the bottom that I withdraw legal threat. --Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 06:09, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To whom so ever it may concern,hereby I Akash Singh Sandhu take my words about legal threat back Akash singh sandhu (talk) 06:12, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I have left a welcome note at your talk page, which carries useful link to help you here. Also note that the line you mentioned on your talk page "no one should edit after my edits" is not appropriate. You see, like you are interested in improving the article, so someone else also may be interested in improving. You can not stop people from doing that. --Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 06:34, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok but no one should lock the page from being editrd Akash singh sandhu (talk) 06:36, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dont't worry. If everyone who edit, follow polices the page will not be locked. The page is locked if someone do not follow policies and only push for his own view.--Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 06:41, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok Akash singh sandhu (talk) 11:03, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

do you have a source for the para you added about Sethi Kalan ?--Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 03:15, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes this para has a fullproof source and can be verified. Our many authorised old history books are available regarding it which can be easily availed from internet. Our holy book also desribes that sethi kalan which was earlier a group of villages had now disintegrated into many villages. Akash singh sandhu (talk) 06:14, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I also want to ask that many castes and clans have been provided with wrong information on wikipedia. Also they are locked and can't be edited. So please do anything by which i can correct information. Akash singh sandhu (talk) 06:15, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can you present at least one such historical book?--Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 07:46, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes not one but there are many. You can also search on internet. Though, some of the punjabi books in which you can find this information is "sahit atte punjab da itihaas"_(in punjabi language) written by prof. Gurbachan singh bhullar(professor at punjabi university) 2) "angrejaa duara ditta punjab da naksha" by giani satwant singh khalsa

Akash singh sandhu (talk) 08:29, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The most highest source is our holy book and you cannot ignore it. Akash singh sandhu (talk) 08:33, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't find any information on internet to support your claim. So I suggest you find a source and post the link here. Otherwise someone will remove that portion from the page.--Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 10:00, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you can read punjabi, i can sendover the book's photo and isbn number you can verify it Akash singh sandhu (talk) 10:10, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I can read Punjabi. In case you didn't notice, my signature carries a punjabi word. Upload the photo of that page of the book on Wikipedia using Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard.--Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 10:15, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Isbn number:81-7770-005-7 Book name-" The spiritual heritage of Punjab" written by jaswant singh neki Akash singh sandhu (talk) 10:16, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

More over our religious book has a line in it"regarding demolish of sethi kalan village . It will be a highly end issue if you ask for more proof. Akash singh sandhu (talk) 10:27, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but it is not freely available on internet. I am not asking proof for myself personally. I can believe whatever you are saying. But problem is that for something to remain on Wikipedia, we have to add citation. You see not everyone is familiar with Punjab and may believe easily. Can you upload related pages of that book by Neki?--Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 10:31, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes i can understand but the book version that i have is e-version. Can it work Akash singh sandhu (talk) 10:36, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, just cite the book at the end of the para using Template:Cite book. Is it available online? Can you send me the link from where I can download this book?--Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 11:42, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We have a software installed in our sgps gurudwara comitte computers which have all books regarding sikhism. I can do one more thing i'll go to library and bring that book and then cite it . Then will it be alright? Akash singh sandhu (talk) 16:22, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

source for satti and sarhali

History of the Sikhs, by J.D. Cunningham, Satvic Media, Amritsar, 2002, ISBN 81-87526-04-1 Akash singh sandhu (talk) 15:46, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

source of last para included in in origin

Style of the Lion: The Sikhs,by Jasprit & Teresa Singh, Akal Publications, Ann Arbor, MI, USA, 1998, ISBN 0-9660942-0-4 Akash singh sandhu (talk) 18:36, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

1. ↑ Jat History Dalip Singh Ahlawat/Parishisht-I, s.n. स-78 2. ↑ O.S.Tugania:Jat Samuday ke Pramukh Adhar Bindu,p.63,s.n. 2512 Akash singh sandhu (talk) 03:16, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

1. ↑ Jat History Dalip Singh Ahlawat/Parishisht-I, s.n. स-78 2. ↑ O.S.Tugania:Jat Samuday ke Pramukh Adhar Bindu,p.63,s.n. 2512 purchase this book it has full info. about this caste and many more which have wrong info. as displayed on wikipedia. please do not hurt our sikh religion sentiments. i request you to relate the info. edited by me and the read the books that i am listing below for correct reference :-

1)Isbn number:81-7770-005-7 Book name-" The spiritual heritage of Punjab" written by jaswant singh neki 2)History of the Sikhs, by J.D. Cunningham, Satvic Media, Amritsar, 2002, ISBN 81-87526-04-1 3)Style of the Lion: The Sikhs,by Jasprit & Teresa Singh, Akal Publications, Ann Arbor, MI, USA, 1998, ISBN 0-9660942-0-4 4)1. ↑ Jat History Dalip Singh Ahlawat/Parishisht-I, s.n. स-78 2. ↑ O.S.Tugania:Jat Samuday ke Pramukh Adhar Bindu,p.63,s.n. 2512 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harmansinghkang11 (talk • contribs) 12:33, 11 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

i want to edit this article but unable to do soo... please help

i want to edit this article but unable to do soo... please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ranjodh sandhu (talk • contribs) 04:44, 27 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

i request you to create sethi page only for sikhs . because there are many sethi jaats which cant be establshed under 1 name for eg......there are sikh sethis who are jatts, pakistani sethis are muslim jatts,,there are rajasthani sethis also which are significant in the area and belong to jatt community. Similarly there are haryanvi sethis which are jaats. so i req u to create a new pahe for sikh sethi independent of hindu sethis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gurpal cheema (talk • contribs) 04:24, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes he is right information HERE is wrong Mr.Jacob Frye (talk) 00:56, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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i request you to create or let me create another page of sethi gotra for sikhs independently as the hindu sethis and sikh jatt sethis have no common ancient history . further i want you to remove the following para

""Origin Sethis originally followed Hinduism, however a significant number adapted Sikhism during the 18th and 19th centuries. This, and also because many Sethi families raised at least one Sikh son after the formation of the Khalsa. This resulted in family names being present in both Hindu and Sikh and Muslim communities worldwide.

as this is purely an incorret information. Gurinder pal singh sandhu (talk) 09:27, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 17:50, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sethi are jatt and Sikh

Hey why u keep editing don't u know that sethi are jatt and sikh Mr.Jacob Frye (talk) 13:33, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sethi are jatt

According to Sikh caste wiki sethi are jatt https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sethi Mr.Jacob Frye (talk) 04:26, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

correct information

the information there is wrong the article I'm writing here is correct Sethi,(ਸੇਥੀ) also known as Seti or Sathi is a common surname among Jat Sikh clans of the Punjabi and Rajasthani people. Although this gotra of jatt clan has similar spell with Sethi clan of khatri sikhs who adapted Sikhism during the 18th and 19th centuries and originally followed Hinduism. Both are entirely different gotras although they have similar spell, jatt clan being called as ਸੇਥੀ whereas khatri sikh clan being called as ਸੇਠੀ.

According to Major A.E. Barstow, Sethi were very good soldiers due to the influence of Sikhism, and possessed more of a marital status. Barstow further comments, that due to their diet and their fondness for wrestling (something encouraged and taught by Guru Angad to the Sikh people) and weightlifting, they possessed good physical attributes for soldiery. According to R. W. Falcon, Sethi Jat Sikhs (alongside other Sikhs) were seen as a good source for recruitment. According to Captain A. H. Bingley they were particularly loyal soldiers.

In Rajasthan and Malwa region of Punjab, there are many Sethis which are muslim jatts.

Sethi are a traditionally agricultural community in Northern India. Over the years, several sethi Jats abandoned agriculture in favour of urban jobs, and used their dominant economic and political status to claim higher social status.In Punjab (India), Sethi are associated with agricultural pursuits and land ownership. They often reside in the rural areas, and are economically influential in the state.

In addition to the conventional Sarva Khap Panchayat, there are regional Jat Mahasabhas affiliated to the All India Jat Mahasabha to organize and safeguard the interests of the community, which held its meeting at regional and national levels to take stock of their activities and devise practical ways and means for the amelioration of the community

Refrences

1.History of the Sikhs, by J.D. Cunningham, Satvic Media, Amritsar, 2002, ISBN 81-87526-04-1 2.1. ↑ Jat History Dalip Singh Ahlawat/Parishisht-I, s.n. स-78 2. ↑ O.S.Tugania:Jat Samuday ke Pramukh Adhar Bindu,p.63,s.n. 2512 3.-" The spiritual heritage of Punjab" written by jaswant singh neki 4. Thakur Deshraj: Jat Itihas (Hindi), Maharaja Suraj Mal Smarak Shiksha Sansthan, Delhi, 1934 5. Ratan Saldi (6 June 2009). "Caste System Among Sikhs In Punjab". Asian Tribune. 6. The Sikh Revolution By Jagjit Singh ANYONE FIX IT ASAP Mr.Jacob Frye (talk) 03:44, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]