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Speculation section

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I think it makes sense to create a section to show who is being speculated for positions. I know they may not be entirely reliable but many people are interested and I think it will consolidate news stories. Jgtrevor (talk) 02:48, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree 156.34.42.177 (talk) 06:48, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking about this as well, especially seeing how there's already a section covering speculative nominees in the Second presidency of Donald Trump#Cabinet article. Obviously every speculative nominee/person will have to be reliably sourced. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:00, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Unfortunately I will have to disagree with this one as speculation has been quite diverse and it would probably create too substantial an editing burden when the nominations will be confirmed soon regardless. Pseudoname1 (talk) 17:23, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

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Marco Rubio

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Multiple sources have confirmed that Marco Rubio is expected to be nominated as Secretary of State. We can rely on multiple news outlets, the source doesn't have to be Trump himself. It would be nice to have a conversation about this before undoing edits. Thanks. Jgtrevor (talk) 04:55, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd argue that a confirmation by Trump himself carries more weight than media sources in this case. If Rubio or Noem are really nominated, he'd have announced it already, until then, it's speculation. Helvianir (talk) 09:50, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. 68.7.223.154 (talk) 23:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WSJ reports "Donald Trump has chosen Kristi Noem to lead the Department of Homeland Security, according to people familiar with the matter." Is this adequate confirmation to publish here? Irishbugs (talk) 12:58, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's not. It's not a confirmation by the Trump Transition Team or Trump himself on say, Truth Social, at all. Helvianir (talk) 17:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen Miller

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Since deputy chief of staff for policy is not a cabinet-level position, Stephen Miller should not be included on this page. Miller should be included on the Political appointments by Donald Trump in his second term page. --Lexicon Insight (talk) 14:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Just removed him. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kristi Noem is not yet confirmed by the camapign

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She should be removed until an official statement from Trump/his campaign is made. Futuremaineretiree (talk) 14:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. This is how cabinet picks are made – through media reporting. Trump doesn't have to release a statement announcing each nominee. Jgtrevor (talk) 16:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, i hate to break it to you, neither Rubio nor Noem are announced by Trump himself. Helvianir (talk) 17:05, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did any of the sources confirm it with Trump’s Press Team? 207.96.32.81 (talk) 19:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I really do think we should remove both Senator Rubio and Governor Noem. The New York Times articles about both note either that "Mr. Trump could still change his mind at the last minute" (about Rubio) or, in the case of Noem, that "[a] Trump spokesman did not immediately respond to an email seeking comment." Yes, per WP:CRYSTALBALL, predictions from reliable sources are allowed, but they are not, in this case, official. As such, absent official confirmation from the transition team or the President-elect himself, it would be WP:CRYSTALBALL for us to state otherwise, I think. — Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 23:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We now have that statement. Trumpi (talk) 02:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Department of Government Efficiency

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Trump has announced that Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy will lead a "Department of Government Efficiency." Should we include this in the article? It's not clear to my knowledge whether this will be a new executive-branch department and Musk and Ramaswamy will be official members of the cabinet, but it still seems worthwhile to at least mention either way. DecafPotato (talk) 00:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It should at least be mentioned somewhere. 156.34.42.177 (talk) 01:17, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
From the announcement, it appears as though they will be working with the Office of Management and Budget "from outside of Government", and it appears as though neither of them will be the Director of the Office of Management and Budget.
If the DOGE was to be a new executive-branch department, it is my understanding that Congress needs to pass a bill to create that department. Trumpi (talk) 02:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, the DOGE is being described as a Presidential Commission elsewhere. Trumpi (talk) 02:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If that’s true, then I can’t see why it’s worth mentioning here. Perhaps it’s better mentioned under the political appointments article. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It wont be in the official executive government, but rather an outside advisory commission. DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 12:04, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source ? 2605:8D80:562:8355:DDA9:FE71:9AD2:F30D (talk) 19:28, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Heres one for you. https://www.vox.com/policy/384904/trumps-department-of-government-efficiency-sounds-like-a-joke-it-isnt DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 23:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

National Security Advisor

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As to my knowledge, the NSA is cabinet-level.(?) I'm going to make an outside of the table space for him with the other nominees for now, but is it worth adding a spot in the table for him? DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 12:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quite a good thought but it might be worth noting that the NSA does not appear in the table for the last three presidents: Cabinet of Joe Biden, First cabinet of Donald Trump, and Cabinet of Barack Obama. This caveat was also used before the table for Trump's 1st Cabinet: "Although some are afforded cabinet-level rank, non-cabinet members within the Executive Office of the President, such as White House Chief of Staff, National Security Advisor, and White House Press Secretary, do not hold constitutionally created positions and most do not require Senate confirmation for appointment." That said, it has not yet been determined whether the NSA will be deemed Cabinet-level and what you have put down provides a good level of information in the interim. Pseudoname1 (talk) 13:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Trump has heavily implied that it will be a Cabinet-level position. 2605:8D80:562:8355:DDA9:FE71:9AD2:F30D (talk) 16:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
“Heavily implied” is different than “officially”. We’ll have to wait until Trump makes a formal announcement and we’ll have to source it. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prefix - former

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We don't need to use the prefix "Former", as we're using 'end' dates. GoodDay (talk) 23:09, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RFK Jr. home state

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I know that during his presidential campaign and even when he ran for the Dem nomination and independently, there was some debate about RFK Jr.'s home state ranging from either D.C. to New York to California. Under the Third-party and independent candidates for the 2024 United States presidential election infobox, his home state is listed as NY. Not sure why he's listed from Massachusetts. Has a consensus been reached in other articles as to which home state is correct? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:39, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Update: Found this article from the NYT: "Battling a lawsuit challenging his right to be on the New York ballot, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on Wednesday insisted that “I’m a New Yorker,” even though he has lived on the West Coast for the past decade." An another article that was reporting when he was kicked off the NY ballot: "The ruling was a blow to Mr. Kennedy’s independent campaign for president. The judge said that he had used a “sham” address to claim residency in New York. New York residency is especially important to Mr. Kennedy because his running mate, Nicole Shanahan, lists California as her home. Under a constitutional quirk, presidential and vice-presidential candidates who hail from the same state are ineligible to receive its electoral votes, and California, with its 54 electoral votes, is the biggest prize in the presidential election. Mr. Kennedy, 70, an environmental lawyer, spends most of his time at a home in Los Angeles that he shares with his wife, the actress Cheryl Hines. But the petitions circulated earlier this year in New York listed an address for him in Katonah, a hamlet about 45 miles north of New York City in Westchester County." So apparently he's not from NY and there's no evidence to suggest his current residency claim is Massachusetts (just because his family is from there, doesn't mean he is). So based on the NYT article is his home state California? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that his Certificate of Nomination lists a Massachusetts address is irrelevant to determining Kennedy's home state. It is simply the mailing address for election related notices and not a residential address. This would be akin to saying that the home state of Kamala Harris is Delaware as that's where Harris for President's address was located. 72.74.154.179 (talk) 15:31, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So what about points 1, 3, 4, and 5? These are quotes from Kennedy himself. 2601:189:4102:36D0:9DE2:AF8A:F0FC:751 (talk) 15:37, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kinda going against this, the NYT article also states that Kennedy lives in California. The quotes about him saying "my home" is a bit irrelevant as it appears Kennedy has multiple homes in multiple states. What it comes down to is what state he is registered in for example. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:44, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kennedy saying he spent his childhood in Massachusetts doesn't mean that's his home state. Obama spent his childhood in Hawaii, but Illinois is his home state. Hillary Clinton spent her early years in Illinois and Arkansas, but her home state is NY. Look no further than Trump who spent his entire life in NY, but his home state is Florida because that's where he's registered. So Kennedy saying he spent his childhood in Massachusetts/saying Massachusetts is his home, means little if he's also spending time/if not more in NY or CA. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:53, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following sources show that his state could either be determined as California or New York (not Massachusetts): CBS News, VOA, PBS, AP News, BBC. The BBC article even states: "He currently lives in California which he moved to in 2014 to be with his wife, Curb Your Enthusiasm actress Cheryl Hines." So the debate should be if his home state should either be California (where given by these sources is his main residence) or New York (where he also lived, but the state court ruled he did not have the requirements to claim residency there). Nowhere there's any mention/serious mention of Massachusetts being his home state. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:49, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the clarification, I was confused because Pete Hegseth said "from Minnesota" because he grew up there (which is why I put Massachusetts for Kennedy), but he currently resides in Tennessee. I provided a CNN article citation. 2601:189:4102:36D0:9DE2:AF8A:F0FC:751 (talk) 15:59, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good example. Hegseth might be a bit different since he ran for office in Minnesota, but the source does list he's been living there for two years which I think is good evidence to suggest Tennessee is his home state. Good catch! TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:09, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RFK Jr. party affiliation

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Kennedy used to be a Democrat and then he ran for president as an independent. Wlll he be designated as a Republican as part of the Trump administration or will he be an independent or even a Democrat? 37.247.31.205 (talk) 01:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He even ran for the Libertarian nomination earlier this year at the Libertarian National Convention, but I'm not sure if he was officially a Libertarian at the time. David O. Johnson (talk) 01:44, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@37.247.31.205
I believe he should be listed as independent on here, as he is currently listed as independent on the Wikipedia page about him
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr.?wprov=sfla1 73.176.205.106 (talk) 14:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you really think Wikipedia should use Wikipedia as a source? The source in the article Robert F. Kennedy Jr. calling him independent, says he ran as an independent candidate for the presidency ([1], at present listed as note no. 214 in the article). That is no clear source for how he will be labeled as a Health Secretary and member of the cabinet. 37.247.31.205 (talk) 22:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Section titles should be adjusted

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No one in Trump's cabinet has been nominated yet. David O. Johnson (talk) 23:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trump has named them. When will they be formally nominated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.247.31.205 (talk) 21:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After he becomes president, in January. David O. Johnson (talk) 21:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"History"

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The history part deserves its own article and shouldn't belong here. Nixon's or Reagan's cabinet has nothing to do with this. Egezort (talk) 00:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It should be removed. David O. Johnson (talk) 18:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Party titles on infobox

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Someone keeps adding inaccurate party titles to the infobox under "member party" -- first Libertarian Party, because of RFK, and then independent, I think also because of RFK. Having a politician from another party in your cabinet doesn't make that party part of the cabinet (even ignoring the fact that "independent" isn't a party). The Obama cabinet didn't include the Republican Party as a member, and the Biden cabinet didn't include "independent" as a member despite Lloyd Austin and Merrick Garland. The cabinet is, for all meaningful purposes, controlled by the Republican Party. LivelyRatification (talk) 23:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with that. To be different it needs strong and clear consensus supported with reliable sources about to something else be added. Nubia86 (talk) 16:27, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also agree on that. America does not have a parliamentary system where the cabinet is directly subject to the majority in the Congress, so the cabinet is not a coalition to correspond to congressional party lines. Thus, the party given should just be the party of the president (and, if that would be a different one, the party for the vice president, but I think the latter has only been the case once in the country's history (for Abraham Lincoln's second term, he had a Democratic vice president)).  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 10:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Background sections for selected positions

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It seems like overkill to list four or five positions in the Background column for each person. (Rubio has eight listed positions, even).

Thoughts? David O. Johnson (talk) 20:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is fine think of it as making sure the populist is as informed as possible 217.180.216.79 (talk) 04:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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