Talk:Scottish Gaelic-medium education

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Number of students

This article seems to imply that only 800 or so students are taught fully in Gaelic. Is that true? Even in the Western Isles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎67.40.249.242 (talk • contribs)

I don't know how you come to that conclusion. The article uses the figure 2000 in the lead. Fishiehelper2 (talk) 00:08, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That comment was added about 2 and a half years ago. I'm guessing the numbers have been corrected within that time... JoshuaJohnLee ^{talk softly, please} 00:10, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

18th Century

This article deserves a very low grade in quality. The comments regarding Samuel Johnson, Gaelic translations and the role of the SSPCK is beyond inaccurate.

1st - Samuel Johnson visited the Hebrides in 1773, and his "Campaign" for a Gaelic Bible is not well-attested. 2nd - the Gaelic Schools Society was instrumental in bringing open-air sermons, Gaelic, to the people. Men like Roderick MacLeod, Donald Martin, and Donald Munro, the blind evangelist, had more to do with the bringing sermons and bibles in Gaelic. The SSPCK did in fact make efforts to thwart their efforts. 3rd - The Gaelic Bible being used was never written in Scots Gaelic. All that was avaiable was the Bible translated into Middle Irish, the progenitor of what later would become Scots Gaidhlig. So, there was never any "success" to that so-called "Campaign" by the anti-Gaelic Samuel Johnson. When I have the time to pull together the sources and make DETAILED overhauls, perhaps I will try to bring this article quality up. Anybody else with the time and access to sources is encouraged to do it. The sheer amount of misinformation on some articles is amazing. Its up to us, the users, to make the contributions. Sorry to sound like a nag right now - I normally would just make the changes without any talk. But I don't have the sources at my fingertips, and this article needed some kind of tag on it. Just a word of caution to the intrepid soul that undertakes revisions on this subject -- the role of the various Societies in bringing their teaching and education to the Gaidhealtachd and the histories written are fraught with inconsistences, bias, and conflicting accounts. Be careful in relying on "sources" - not all the letters written by the SSPCK "missionaries" were written accurately. John L. Campbell of Barra did a GREAT job detailing the sheer volume of inaccuracies during his life's work. People tend to exaggerate sometimes when it comes to religion. Letter that state the "Isle of Skye was filled with Heathen" in 1838 are probably very wrong. The Revival movements of 1812 had more than spread across the whole of Skye, which is not too large. Sometimes exaggerations are made to justify further activities. Primary Sources in this field deserve to have some triple corrobation, and a healthy dose of common sense interpreting them. Too many claims of a single missionary arriving to a heathen-filled Island and then single-handedly converting the whole of the Isle within 10 years, only for another SSPCK man to show up a few years later, claiming to find an Isle of heathens, being financed with a mission, and then "succeeding" in "converting the heathens, the flame of the gospel spreading across the whole of Skye..." etc. Hogwash. The sheer number of missions to Kimuir on Trotternish, Uig, Glennhinisdale, Kilmaluag, in the span of 30 years, with so many claiming that each time they found "heathens" defies all logic. That entire region is within a few miles of one another. Flora MacDonald is buried at the Kilmuir church, and the MacDonald of Kingsborough and the Chief of Sleat (housed at Monkstadt, also called Mogstadt in the primary sources) were within a few miles of those "heathen destinations."

Okay, off the soapbox. Oghmatist (talk) 03:11, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

20th century

The only information related to the last century is "the number of pupils who are in Gaelic medium education has risen from 24 in 1985 (its first year) to 3,583 in 2014" in the leader. Shouldn't there be at least the names of the first primary & secondary schools providing GME and a mention of Sabhal Mòr Ostaig? --Droigheann (talk) 23:18, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Continued language use

Stating that « few pupils in primary Gaelic education will continue to use the language as adults » is a quick conclusion since the reference (McLeod/O’Rourke/Dunmore, ’New Speakers' of Gaelic in Edinburgh and Glasgow) clearly states that « few former GME pupils who did not come from Gaelic-speaking homes are now using their Gaelic FREQUENTLY ». It would seem that many new speakers stop using Gaelic actively on a daily basis. But it does not mean that they don’t use it at all! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.25.199.107 (talk) 10:32, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comment and I've updated the article to reflect that. Wikipedia is designed to be a neutral source of information, so we repeat information found in reliable sources whether it is considered "harsh" or not. Catrìona (talk) 13:26, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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