Talk:Say You Will (Kanye West song)

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Say You Will (Kanye West song) is part of the 808s & Heartbreak series, a good topic. This is identified as among the best series of articles produced by the Wikipedia community. If you can update or improve it, please do so.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
November 22, 2018	Articles for deletion	No consensus
June 6, 2021	Good article nominee	Listed
December 31, 2021	Good topic candidate	Promoted
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on June 17, 2021. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Kanye West's track "Say You Will" was recorded in 15 minutes?
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Contains unreliable source(s), does not meet WP:NSONG, did not chart. Also contains original research. Without delving too much into GWing, none off the sources that continue to be provided say anything about alternative R&B. That aside, much of the song's content can be incorporated into the 808s & Heartbreak album article under Music and lyrics, where it's unmentioned. Similar to Bad News, the information regarding live performance at Hollywood Bowl can be used in a separate article designated for the concert. Considering the amount of coverage the concert seemed to have received, and reviews from published by verifiable sources that have individuals have taken the time to gathered here along with the fact that its has its own page at Wiki Commons, quite odd the concert (which I think meets notability standards) doesn't have a Wikipedia article.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Say You Will (Kanye West song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Shoot for the Stars (talk · contribs) 22:28, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Will review this as soon as I get school and graduation out of the way. Shoot for the Stars 💫 (talk) 22:28, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Background and recording

I think the "Outside of the song, English musician Mr Hudson co-wrote fellow 808s & Heartbreak track "Street Lights" and contributed a feature to "Paranoid" sentence should come way later as this would be confusing to readers who don't know anything about Kanye or his songs. What song are you talking about when you say "outside of the song"?

It is only referring to Mr Hudson's contributions to songs on the album, which is already introduced as being by West in the lead... plus background for musicians is supposed to come first in this section. Change the song to "Say You Will", though. --K. Peake 08:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Music and lyrics

musicOMH does not say the song has "synth-pop production" but the rather the whole album.

It says that the song sets the tone for the album's synth-pop production. --K. Peake 08:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Release and reception

This part "The song was met with generally positive reviews from music critics, mostly being identified by them as an album highlight" needs to be referenced.

The guideline about combining multiple points to reach a conclusion not explicitly stated by them does not apply when its a reception section, as it can be seen how much of the reviews are positive/negative so you can write that. --K. Peake 08:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

copyvio score says it's 95.8% from some bs [1] website! Lets just ignore that crap. The score is below 40% and looks fine.
This link is not working.

The GA criteria says that dead links do not prevent a pass; this especially applies here because I've added an archive. --K. Peake 08:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Overall

Putting On hold for seven days. You know I'm shooting for the stars, aiming for the moon 💫 (talk) 22:16, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shoot for the Stars I have responded to all of your points above. --K. Peake 08:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 01:16, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Kanye West's track "Say You Will" was recorded in 15 minutes? Source: Kanye West's '808s & Heartbreak' Turns 9: Ranking the Album's Tracks
- ALT1:... that Kanye West recorded "Say You Will" in 15 minutes?
- ALT2:... that Kanye West's track "Say You Will" was created in 15 minutes?
- ALT3:... that Kanye West created "Say You Will" in 15 minutes?

Reviewed: Filiberto Avogadro di Collobiano

Improved to Good Article status by Kyle Peake (talk). Self-nominated at 08:27, 7 June 2021 (UTC).[reply]

General eligibility:

New enough:
Long enough:
Other problems:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The GAR threw me off since there's no formal "confirmation" from the reviewer that it passed, but it looks like they updated the talk BannerShell to signify it did so we should be good. Copyvio check raises a massive red flag for some sort of spam website that copy/pasted this article. Nothing anyone can do about that, but just a note if anyone decides to check for themselves. Zappa⚡Matic 02:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for reviewing this so soon after its nomination; I will say that as someone whose seen the reviewer's contributions on various occasions, they have a habit of passing reviews after the response without leaving any further comments on the page. K. Peake 06:06, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]