Talk:Saw X

Concerning question

What is Amanda Young's role in Saw X? BlackBuick2099 (talk) 21:17, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

The Saw team is known to not give out specific plot details before the film is released. So don't expect to know much until the trailer is released tomorrow, or until the film is released. Mike Allen 21:34, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

After watching the trailer, it seems that she will be John Kramer's helping hand with capturing the fake doctors, hopefully she'll have a crucial role throughout the film. BlackBuick2099 (talk) 12:24, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Blockquote

Responding to MikeAllen revert:

The source of the official premise was reported by THR, so “according to the Hollywood Reporter” suffices when explaining where the official premise was reported. When the quote was blockquoted, was LionsGate the listed source of the quote or was Hollywood Reporter?

The blockquote is unnecessary because the premise section currently includes no other information besides the premise as reported on by the Hollywood Reporter. Blockquotes serve as a means to break in content when a significant and large quote would otherwise be distracting in the midst of other originally written material.

This is how I see it, but I respect your revert and of course respectfully invite you respond with a rebuttal. I am willing to listen and learn from mistakes, but as of the current moment I believe my edit was fully warranted. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 00:44, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

I wasn’t asking the question condescendingly also, by the way. I see now the quote was listed within the blockquote as coming from LionsGate. Perhaps no blockquote but instead saying “According to Lionsgate…”

The blockquote as it stands alone also looks odd in format, but that’s an opinion and I am not certain if Wikipedia has any standard when it comes to that. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 00:47, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Per MOS:BLOCKQUOTE, it says that you can use it for text of 40 words (it's at 79 words). Regardless, I'm going to paraphrase/concise it and do away with copy and pasting (even in quotes). That will be a project for tomorrow. Mike Allen 00:53, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh wow I didn’t know that. Okay. Point proven. Apologies for the uninformed edit. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 02:28, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Where can we have a section in this article for marketing (under Release)?

There have been multiple instances of (dare I say genius) marketing on Lionsgate's side.

One of which that I am amused with is the parody of AMC Theatres' ad where Nicole Kidman says whatever, I can't be bothered to type the whole thing, much less one sentence. (That's boring!) It was then (sadly) removed because AMC essentially told them to.

I'm aware of some other marketing material, maybe we can put that on there? I'm not doing anything until there's enough material AND if other users agree with this. green@grenier ~$ sign --now; sudo systemctl enable wptalk 03:00, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

[1][2] I'm indifferent on mentioning it, but yeah many film articles have a marketing section under "Release". 70.163.208.142 (talk) 21:46, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

I remember there being a few more than just the Nicole Kidman AMC parody. There's also [3], but that's more of a special feature than anything. That and you have a parody of Operation aptly named Sawperation. There was a video on that on Lionsgate's Twitter (I am never calling it X). green@grenier ~$ sign --now; sudo systemctl enable wptalk 00:53, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

And [4]. Just keep WP:FILMMARKETING in mind: "Do not merely identify and describe the content of customary marketing methods such as trailers, TV spots, radio ads, and posters. Instead, use reliable sources to provide useful commentary about a method, such as a trailer's intended effect or the audience's reported reaction to it". Mike Allen 23:49, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

I got you. I'll be able to add such a section whenever I can. In the event when I'm inactive, you and the others could do it. green@grenier ~$ sign --now; sudo systemctl enable wptalk 00:49, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @MikeAllen! I believe this should be good enough?

On September 10, 2023, Lionsgate released a spoof of the board game Operation aptly named Saw-peration. It included nods to the Saw films such as a cassette tape in the abdomen, a jigsaw piece, a key in the eye socket, a syringe in the arm, and a saw on one of the legs.
On September 13, 2023, a parody of AMC Theatres' Nicole Kidman "We Make Movies Better" ad was published to YouTube and to Lionsgate's social media platforms. It featured a remote-controlled Billy the Puppet in place of Kidman, and while the parody plays out almost verbatim with the original ad, on top of Billy watching scenes from Saw X, some lines have been changed to reflect the violent nature the Saw franchise is known for. For instance, the iconic line "Somehow, heartbreak feels good in a place like this" was changed to say "self-amputation" in place of "heartbreak", and traps "making movies better" instead of AMC.
While the parody was met with humorous responses by fans and news outlets alike, it was pulled from Lionsgate's accounts due to a complaint by AMC Theatres. Writer Josh Stolberg released a statement on the trailer's takedown, calling people "lucky" if they managed to watch the parody before its removal.

Let me know in your most convenient time if I am to change any part of this. Thanks!

References used:

Notes used:

green@grenier ~$ sign --now; sudo systemctl enable wptalk 11:32, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. I will get back to you later today on this. Mike Allen 19:35, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

I would only add the part about the AMC parody. It was the one with the most sources reporting about it. Also, a mention of the Saw blood drive (that is in every other Saw article) could be warranted. Mike Allen 13:37, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Alright! I'll get to finding sources for the Saw blood drive and throw away the Saw-peration spoof. Thanks! green@grenier ~$ sign --now; sudo systemctl enable wptalk 14:09, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Hey, @MikeAllen! I've completed finding sources for the Saw Blood Drive, and have also completed the proposed Marketing section on my sandbox here. As always, please check it in your most convenient time, and let me know if I am to change, add or remove any part of this. Thanks once again! green@grenier ~$ sign --now; sudo systemctl enable wptalk 14:41, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Repeated information removal

User MikeAllen has been repeatedly reverting edits to the plot secion, completely removing the information that the bathroom at the movie's end is the franchise's iconic Bathroom Trap, most recently doing so when the latest edit on this subject was worded so as to avoid the "fourth-wall breaking" rules violation. 92.7.40.121 (talk) 22:13, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok, and? We don't add WP:EGG links, which you have ignored. Mike Allen 23:42, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

MOS:FILMPLOT isn't the place for non-essential information, like introducing two new characters at the end. If you really think the information is worth mentioning, maybe stick it in a reference note or mention it in the production section, there's an EW article there that mentions the bathroom as production design. 70.163.208.142 (talk) 00:46, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

I left a (hopefully) harmless note, silmar to how the Scream films do with this edit. Mike Allen 00:51, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Future

I don't think we should have a "Future" section based on tentative plans (aka, just talk). We should wait until a sequel is confirmed to be in development. Also, this is already on the franchise page. Mike Allen 22:19, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

There's no point in repeating it here, so to anyone else who thinks it should stay, maybe look at the franchise page as linked by Mike. I personally think it should stay on the franchise page, so there's a big chunk of fluff out of this article. green@grenier ~$ sign --now; sudo systemctl enable wptalk 22:27, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Also to clarify, there is no problem with a Future section being added to this page, once a future of the films actually exists. Mike Allen 22:31, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Add in info saying positive reviews is a first for the franchise?

Some new text I'm pitching is in bold:

Saw X was theatrically released by Lionsgate on September 29, 2023. It received generally positive reviews from critics; a first for the franchise, with many describing it as the strongest entry since the first film and singling out Bell's performance for praise.

I can understand if this doesn't make sense, or if it is not needed at all. Let me know as soon as possible, thanks! green@grenier ~$ sign --now; sudo systemctl enable wptalk 08:40, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

I could have swore this was already in the article. In any case, yes I would agree to its addition since it got significant coverage and is sourced under reception. Mike Allen 23:35, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Gotcha. Thanks again! green@grenier ~$ sign --now; sudo systemctl enable wptalk 02:17, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

The Game of Fear

I can't find a good reference for the "Game of Fear" footnote. It seems to me the entire franchise, not just Saw X, is known as The Game of Fear in international markets, in which case the footnote would make more sense under Saw (franchise). 70.163.208.142 (talk) 23:38, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry! It was on the IMDb page for it so I assumed it was legitimate. I can't seem to find the source for that, though yes, it'd make more sense under the franchise page for it.

Need a second opinion, though! Pinging @MikeAllen. Nicole. Oh, she's elegantly clandestine... ✨ 21:35, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm finding sources that call the first Saw, The Game of Fear. [5] Mike Allen 21:50, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Cast

(edit conflict) Here we go again. Which part of MOS:FILMCAST or just "PER END CREDITS ORDER AND CREDITED ROLES." are you not understanding? I don't even know what "When they are not mentioned in plot they see not main cast." even means or where you got it. WP:INDISCRIMINATE has nothing to do with this issue. Maybe explain it here instead of edit warring? ภץאคгöร 14:38, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Nyxaros: No one feels like edit warring with you. Actually I don’t really care that the MRI tech that is not notable is being added. Leave it. BUT, per WP:FILMCAST: Avoid capitalizing common nouns in roles, e.g. Saul Williams as Security at Ball should be Saul Williams as security at ball. Stop going against guidelines. Also the link farm you added to the reception to source the film receiving positive reviews. Also not really necessary. No one is contesting that. Mike Allen 14:35, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

So just revert the whole contribution not because of everything you wrote in your summaries but capitalization of letters? Cool. The roles are not even listed correctly. ภץאคгöร 14:40, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I’m the one that wrote the hidden note. I understand it completely. I understand that we are not IMDB, therefore we do not *have* to list every role. That is indiscriminate when you are listing a MRI tech role that had one line, and has nothing to do with the plot moving forward. Mike Allen 14:46, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Excessive Edits

A certain user has been editing this article almost daily, like 7 or 8 edits in a row. Almost none of these edits are constructive or add anything of value to the article, and most have truly atrocious grammar. This issue has been discussed with the user several times, who then ignores the advice and reverts any attempts to make legitimate corrections. To this user: in the future, please discuss any changes you'd like to make on the talk page before editing any further. 47.160.160.212 (talk) 00:05, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Thats not a word

I'd be curious to know who wrote "The trap begins bloodboarding them with blood", they saved me from wondering for my whole life whether "bloodboarding" involves something other than water. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.117.104.137 (talk) 04:40, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Media Capital Technologies credit

@FloorMadeOuttaFloor: Interesting find here. However, I have watched the Saw X end credits and there is no mention of the company. The only "Produced in association with" credits are Galaxy 8 Entertainment and Serendipity. I'm thinking it may be better in the #Production section and not the infobox? Mike Allen 21:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

That's peculiar to me as well. If that really is the case then maybe it's better fit for the Production section after all. FloorMadeOuttaFloor ^{(Converse here)} 04:15, 19 July 2024 (UTC)