Talk:Saw III/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Soundtrack

The Saw II article has a separate article for the soundtrack listing. Should we do the same with Saw III, or merge Saw II's soundtrack listing back into the main article? --KittyCollier 15:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Amanda's envelope

Just wondering if any fans or Wikipedians have a clue as to what John left for his apprentice. The envelope apparently contained something important, as her reaction shows, but what exactly? If established and significant, it may warrant inclusion within the article. --AWF

Trivia

Where's the trivia section? Wikireaders wants trivias!

Plot Section

Why is the whole movie given away in the plot section? After some research, that whole section was taken from moviespoilers.com. Can we please get something more concise and less revealing?

And make it less than 21 paragraphs? --KittyCollier 02:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

AfD result

— JIP | Talk 06:12, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I looked at the archived debate and the result was Delete TheRingess 02:00, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

That was a different debate, to be found here. I am investigating the problem. Physchim62 (talk) 13:37, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

The article as it stood was a recreation of deleted material, and also partially in violation of the copyright of the Internet Movie Database. Any future article should rely on verifiable sources and also respect the copyright of those sources. Physchim62 (talk) 14:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

For example, this more recent edit. Physchim62 (talk) 20:06, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Guy keeps Editing Saw 3

I keep trying to delete this guys edits on the Saw 3 page, he keeps posting false actors on purpose and then goes to IMDB and tells everyone about it. Lock the Saw 3 page or somthing.

Your talking about me, but I wasn't editing. I looked at Saw III at wikipedia and it said other actors names like kevin bacon or anne heche, I thought it was real, so I told imdb. But then they told me that you can edit on the page, so I didn't know. But alot of poeple are editing and I think thats dumb.

Hey! Guy up there (not the person who started "Guy keeps editing Saw 3")! Judging from your horrible grammatical and spelling mistakes, I don't think you should edit Wikipedia's articles at all.--david136a 10:48, 28 October 2006 (EST)

Judging from your horrible inability to Assume Good Faith and your ability to Bite The Newcomers, you should not be on Wikipedia either. Just because the "Guy up there" made a mistake doesn't mean you should bite his head off. All he wanted to do was improve Wikipedia a little bit, just like you and I. I bet you scared him off now =( SuperDT 00:30, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Producers & Cast

Gregg Hoffman has unfortunately passed, this last december. He will not be producing. The prodcers, who have been repeatedly deleted from here for some reason, are listed on IMDB for reference.

Also I cannot find anything confirming Shawnee Smith or Donnie Wahlberg will be in Saw III, seems to be just speculation at the moment. The rest of the info on this page is confirmed and referenced. --Fxer 05:12, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Kevin Bacon?

On his wiki page [1] in his flmography list it has saw 3 listed. I haven't heard anything about this from anywhere!

Just some simple vandalism, removed. --Fxer 16:52, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Poster

Although I liked the three finger fan poster more than the current, neither of them is official as the darker one is just a copy of the earlier cover. I think we should keep it blank for now. Garglebutt / (talk) 09:13, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I found the 3 finger picture at: http://www.joblo.com/arrow/index.php?id=2527 Its a fan poster, but with some truth behind the concept. So check it out, I just thought it seemed accurate enough. Lindsey8417 00:36, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Sources?

Can someone please tell me where they found this information, notably the plot points concerning the warehouse and Amanda's betrayal of Jigsaw? I've searched all over and I can't find them, and I'm willing to bet they are just fan speculation.--CyberGhostface 00:09, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Protection

Since people keep on posting unsourced and probably false information, I've temporarily put a block on the page.--CyberGhostface 21:20, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Saw III article edits...

its not unreliable info —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.182.121 (talk • contribs)

--Then show the sources.--CyberGhostface 21:29, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

i am the source! look, i dunno why u keep deleting my info but its annoying! You still have Master P in the cast list for christ sake!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.182.121 (talk • contribs)

MTV has CONFIRMED THAT MASTER P WILL BE IN THE FILM.[2] Show me the NEWS ARTICLE or WEBSITE where you found your information. Because "I say so" is NOT concrete information.--CyberGhostface 21:34, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I can assure you Master P is not in saw 3, and i cant give you any wevsite sources because it has not been released onto the net, i work for the studio. Im trying to publish it onto the net but you wont let me!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.182.121 (talk • contribs)

How do I know you're not lying? You have no sources to back up your information. And chances are, even if it is true, if its not released than the writers and directors don't want people to know about it. If what you wrote is true, then you posted some big spoilers that will ruin the film for those who haven't seen it.--CyberGhostface 21:41, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Read this. Wikipedia:No original research What you are doing counts as original research which is not allowed.--CyberGhostface 21:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

how am i spoiling it? and i dont wanna cause any arguments but what i am saying is TRUE!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.182.121 (talk • contribs)

READ THE ORIGINAL RESEARCH POLICY. WHAT YOU ARE DOING COUNTS AS ORIGINAL RESEARCH. THIS IS NOT ALLOWED.--CyberGhostface 21:46, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

sooo, this is all i said...

Final instalment of the trilogy.

Carey Ewles does not make an appearance, although Leigh Whannel has said after much speculation that everyone will find out what happened to Dr. Gordon.

Donnie Wahlberg makes cameo appearance

The famous 'Saw' bathroom makes its final appearance and will be destroyed in a blaze.

The story focuses on four very different people that soon realise beneath they have very much in common. Making there way through the house of jigsaw, they must together complete four deadly death traps, little do they know they're not just fighting for each others life, but someone else’s. Twists and Turns commence as the sickest, most shocking movie of the year unravels the biggest 'Saw' secret of all that will alter the previous two movies in the biggest way imaginable.

Charlie Clouser returns to compose the movie.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.182.121 (talk • contribs)

Keep it up. I've reported you to the administrators.--CyberGhostface 21:54, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

y r u such a rat, bum head? :)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.182.121 (talk • contribs)

Do the other people from Lionsgate films act like such illiterate morons?--CyberGhostface 21:57, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

No. :) But i suppose they have never had to deal with tattle-tales like you mr. bum head!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.182.121 (talk • contribs)

Mr. Bum head? How old are you, eight? You're really convincing me that you're working on the movie.--CyberGhostface 22:12, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

eight! im not that old mate!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.182.121 (talk • contribs)

• This edit war has gone on long enough. Until a verifiable source is cited with the addition on that information, it is not to be placed in this article. Wikipedia is not the place to "publish" anything, hence our No Original Research policy. This prevents false information and hoaxes from being allowed on Wikipedia. If you want to publish something, go through the studio and make a press release. If this information keeps being edited in, administrator action will have to be made. Thank you. --Zsinj^Talk 14:07, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, Zsinj. Hopefully someone will stop the middle school children from vandalizing the article again.--CyberGhostface 19:17, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

On a more serious note, let's remember WP:AGF and WP:NPA, unless dipshit has some friendly meaning I'm not familiar with. Garglebutt / (talk) 00:01, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Drop the sarcasm. Your little friends were no more polite to me, yet I don't see you reprimanding them for calling me bum head and idiot.--CyberGhostface 00:26, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Let's call it dry wit or more accurately gentle condescension. They are not my friends and the person you are talking about we both know is fairly young and I'm impressed with their diligence if not the maturity of edit. Responding in kind makes you no better than them so lets try to be positive. Garglebutt / (talk) 06:25, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Fine, I apologize for the 'dipshit' comment. But I'm done 'assuming good faith' with these two. They've been told countless times to stop posting their information without sources, yet they keep on doing it. And 81.99.182.121? Do you honestly think he's trying to make Wikipedia a better place?--CyberGhostface 10:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

• Would it be okay to remove "Since Tobin Bell said he would return for Saw IV, this means that Jigsaw will survive Saw III." ? Saw and Saw II had flashbacks, and I see no reason why Saw III or Saw IV couldn't. If this is verifiable information, I'd appreciate a source.

Sources

Considering the vandalism on this page from before, unless you post legit sources to plot information I will revert it.--CyberGhostface 03:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey, 81.99.182.121, I believe you. I posted the exact same thing and CyberGhostface keep deleting it! There is a website that says that CyberGhostface! You know that I posted it too and you are two against one! You better believe us. Cigammagicwizard 23:40, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Please forgive me if I don't believe the words of a thirteen year old with no sources who calls people 'bum head'. Just because two kids post false information doesn't make that false information any truer if one person posted it. Show me the website or stop wasting my time. And I 'better' believe you? Or what? You'll tell your mommy?--CyberGhostface 02:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

• Personally I think you'd better both go and speak to your mommy's. CyberGhostface, you don't know it was Cigammagicwizard who called you that name and Cigammagicwizard what he says is true, the last time you agreed with somebody was when they said it would be partly set in Manchester and that Robert Carlyle would be in it, and he wouldn't touch this type of genre with a very large stick. So the pair of you, stop being juveniles or this will move on. Thank you. (Pally01 11:45, 27 April 2006 (UTC))

No, but Cig has called me names before so look into that before you start making accusations. And I've lost my patience with him a long time ago. He has been warned before about this but he keeps on persisting.--CyberGhostface 19:11, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I've told you before, if you sink to their level you come across as juvenile as them. How do we know that just because you can edit better you aren't the same age? Your volatile outbursts seem to suggest teenage hormones. Plus they have never said they are male. (Pally01 07:52, 3 May 2006 (UTC))

I'm 17 years old. They are 13. Four years difference. And although I may have 'volatile outbursts' I don't vandalize the pages repeatedly like these two kids have done. And how the hell does them not being male change anything?--CyberGhostface 10:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

1) Some people may take offence at being called 'he' rather than 'she'. Best sticking to 'they' so as not to antagonise them. 2) Thanks, I can count. 3) There are people around better acquainted with Wikipedia to try and control vandals than either you or me. This user calling someone a name and you calling them a name makes you no better than they are. The fact that you can't see that shows that for a 17 year you may as well be 13. (Pally01 13:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC))

1.) What, so someone can call people idiot and bumhead and yet gets offended because someone mixes up their gender? 2.) You're welcome. 3.) Please stop with the condescending bullshit. You haven't done anything at all to cigamagic and his friends when they act out of line, yet when I respond, you come down on me like a sack of bricks. And considering they fill wikipedia with vandalism and blatantly false information, I can safely say I am better than them.--CyberGhostface 19:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

1) He/she calls me idiot. They are 13, get over it like everybody else does. You don't categorically know that it was them who called you bumhead, there are a lot of ISP nos. out there 2) Thank you 3) Now you are swearing at me when all I am telling you to do is calm down. You aren't helping matters nor yourself by coming across as the big I am. Remember the line that youth is wasted on the young and that you don't know every damn thing. (Pally01 22:10, 3 May 2006 (UTC))

1.I'm not going to look the other way. I tried to be reasonable at first but after a while you just lose patience. 3. I'm sorry for for acting rudely to you before. I'll try to tone down my posts in the future.--CyberGhostface 00:48, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

To be fair we shouldn't be arguing with each other, there is common 'enemy'. Maybe we're a Good Cop-Bad Cop partnership...... (Pally01 00:52, 4 May 2006 (UTC))

Donnie Wahlberg

I've removed this actor from the case as the Bloody Disgusting link goes nowhere. This is nothing to do with the "Unofficial" Website that Cigammagicwizard found info on as I think the "Unofficial" bit proves how seriously we can take that bit of news. (Pally01 07:52, 3 May 2006 (UTC))

I think that if anybody is going to remove Donnie Wahlberg then they should provide a link that now says he is NOT going to be in it. (Pally01 14:09, 19 May 2006 (UTC))

Here's the link genius. http://www.donniewahlberg.com/news.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.94.126.250 (talk • contribs)

Hey genius, he's in the movie, I saw it. Oh, and you might wanna look at your own link...hah.

Kim Roberts as Deborah???

Who the hell is Kim Roberts and what is her character going to be about? How come she has only been confirmed on IMDb and not anywhere else? Infact, there is no information on her at all on IMDb, really.

Release Date

Okay folks it seems we're having a problem as to when this thing is coming out...the next person who edits, please give a source to clear up confusion.--CyberGhostface 02:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Dr.Gordon

Stop adding Carey Elwes to the cast list. Until theres an official annoucement hes not going to be in Saw 3.Nimrod1234 03:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

It's Kerry.

Who put it was "some woman" in the trap with the jars of green liquid? It's Kerry, or Dina Meyer. Also, the woman who is gagged and bound isn't "some chick", its Bahar Soomekh. Got it? Please change.

picture

since they wont let me edit the page here is a picture of the crucifix trap for anyone who could edit the page hopefully it will end up there

<a href="http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/gamexovxer/?action=view&current=5-1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/gamexovxer/5-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"></a>

We have enough pictures already and that one isn't that good to begin with.--CyberGhostface 14:36, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Shawnee Smith's Quote Under Trivia

It says her quote says in other saw 3 news yaddah yaddah yaddah. Well, that doesn't sound like an exact quote from her, but from a news source. In no point in that quote does it sound a personal statement. Someone find the exact quote for the NC17 thing she talks about.

The Ice Shower

It says under the "Ice Shower" that the ice shower is a nod to Elizabeth Bathory. How is it a nod to Elizabeth Bathory?--Mullon 13:03, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I quote from the Wikipedia article on Bathory:

Báthory used other methods of torture as well, often as punishments for servants who incurred her displeasure. Sticking pins under the fingernails of maids, covering young women in honey and leaving them to be stung to death by bees, or dousing naked victims in cold water during the harshest parts of the winter until they froze to death were among the tortures rumored to have taken place at her castle.

---Releeshan 22:03, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Has this been rated in canada yet?

Anyone? On IMDb it says 18A.

I'VE FOUND TROY'S TRAP!

I've found Troy's trap online thanks to the great people at the Saw 3 forums!
I'm about to post a link for you all to see. Shame it's such bad quality!
 ViperBlade ^Talk!! 11:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Aww poop! Someone beat me to it! lol, I'm gonna post it in the "external links" section though because my link is a Google video link, so it's a larger picture
 ViperBlade ^Talk!! 11:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether or not to put the "script" on the page. I'll post it here so you can decide.  ViperBlade ^Talk!! 12:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello Troy, I wanna play a game... Despite all of the advantages and privileges that you were given at birth, you have returned to prison again and again. More comfortable in chains than you are in freedom? Tonight we will see how far you are willing to go to break those chains. Live or die, Troy. Make your choice.

Trap Edits

I edited a few things involving the traps. A few were grammatical errors, but I completely erased the one about Lynn seeing the reverse bear-trap in action. It seemed out of place to me because we've already seen it, and because it's not actually being used on anyone.
I also changed the section about Troy's trap where it said "he pulls the rings through his skin by jerking them off". It just sounded sexual, lol.
 ViperBlade ^Talk!! 20:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Just some speculation

Why was it rated for Nudity? Will the speculations of Amanda/John actually be true? Someone on IMDB keeps saying that there's this "great nasty sex scene". O_o I hope not. >.> Leave a note if you know of this rumor/can verify or falsify it. 65.248.224.93 17:33, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Erm...its probably in reference to the fact that one of the traps has a naked woman hanging from the ceiling has ice water being sprayed all over her.

Not Jigsaw getting jiggy with it.

But thanks for your input.--CyberGhostface 18:48, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, thank you. =) My fears of the grossest porn ever have been put to rest. XD

Did anyone besides me notice that in Saw 2, when they are in the hotel room during a flashback, and Amanda is like: emo emo cut cut!; and John stares at her, that the hotel room only had one bed? O_o I don't think that it really means anything but everyone at my school (we watched it in school, 8D) had a giant spaz when I mentioned it. "Omigaaaaaaaaaaaa~wd! Like, old man... SECHS!!!11one one eleven" Just a little obnoxious. *rollseyes* WhatTheFace? 19:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Today's Edits

Today a large number of anon users made a number of questionable edits. Since 90% of them were uncited, and a number of them blatantly false (like Monica Potter appearing) I reverted all of them. I apologize for the legit edits that were lost. Feel free to add them back, but considering all the shit that this page has been hit with, please cite your sources.--CyberGhostface 19:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Twisting Crucifix -- Here's your chance

I just wanted to say before a flamewar or anything started: Open your friggin' eyes!
Whoever's reverting my edit from "the door with 'Here's your chance' written on it" to "the door with "face your fears" written on it", please just stop! On the source for the twisting crucifix (which has now been deleted) the door to the room apparently reads "Here's your chance". I also uploaded a screenshot of the trailer here, and you can clearly make out "re's" "ur" and "ce". It's obvious that "face your fears" uses no "re's" at all.
Thanks.
 ViperBlade ^Talk!! 17:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Ummm... no, I've heard from many different sources that there is a Face Your Fears door, but haven't heard of this Here's Your Chance door. http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/7594/faceyourfearsef8.jpg

Perhaps there are two doors! =O WhatTheFace? 14:39, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

As stated above, I remember in the original source for the Twisting Crucifix trap, the door to the room read "Here's your chance", and also i've compared screenshots (thanks for yours WhatTheFace :D) and the two doors are different colours. I'll try to find the source and post it back up.

 ViperBlade ^Talk!! 16:22, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

There ya go! http://jam.canoe.ca/Movies/2006/06/09/1622126.html

 ViperBlade ^Talk!! 16:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

There are two doors~! =O WhatTheFace? 13:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Kerry getting kidnapped clip

Well guys, I don't really know how to make this tie in with the article, so maybe you can.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ew2SRZXqTs
 ViperBlade ^Talk!! 20:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Add Spoilers to Cast?

Having the Actors for Adam, Xavier, and Obi(even though they are most likely to be in Flash backs) coulde be spoiler to some.--Nimrod1234 01:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Pig mask

The person in the pig mask will be referred to as Amanda from now on, because John is almost dead, and in all the pictures I've seen, the person obviously has breasts... something that John has a conspicious lack of. =D

http://xe6.xanga.com/e86d3171d723484678855/w58147026.jpg

WhatTheFace? 14:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How do you know it says "face your fears"?

ok how does anyone know that it says FACE YOUR FEARS outside of the door that leads to Danica's trap?

There's a promotional picture somewhere where it says that.[3] LookWhether or not its Danica's I'm not sure.--CyberGhostface 02:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Deaths section (and other spoilers)

Anyone actually seen the movie yet? There are no sources for the deaths and spoilers. Personally, I'm reluctant to believe the latest info seeing as the movie hasn't been released yet (according to saw3.com) and the user who edited it was unregistered/not logged in.

Anyone else think it should be removed?

 ViperBlade ^Talk!! 12:03, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I do. Even if the film had already been released, this article is bloated with excessive detail. There is no reason to go into such detail on the traps and manner of death of the characters. I think this article should mirror the ones for Saw and Saw II in terms of format and level of detail.---Jackel 14:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Not that we should include the "Deaths" section, but I thought it was released today, 10/27/06. Am I wrong? --KittyCollier 20:32, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

It was released today, I just got back from seeing the film. Now with the entire plot known, I'm taking the liberty to sort of merge the traps into a detailed plot section. -Lindsey8417 00:24, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Jigsaw's fate

I just finished watching this film, and John Kramer (better known as Jigsaw) most certainly dies at the end (his throat is slashed with a sawblade, and the collar around Dr. Denlon's neck explodes, indicating that John's pulse flatlined). Since Tobin Bell is apparently signed on for at least three more sequels, one has to wonder how Jigsaw will be woven into potential future plotlines. PhilShady 00:33, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Probably for one of those elaborate flashback scenes that's at the end of every Saw movie. I can imagine Saw IV having a ten-minute flashback

Perhaps they'll start making PREquels... JackOfHearts 08:38, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Or perhaps he gets resurrected!..or something lame like in other horror movies. --andrewI20^Talk 08:39, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Nah. Saw films may be extreme, but the writing and directing team would never resort to such a lame cop-out. --AWF

Remember, Danny Glover's character survived getting his neck slashed in the first film, maybe Kramer will pull out of it. Like, they reveal the puppet is really alive and he saves Kramer.

Grammar Police

I started tidying up the verbage in this article. I've made no effort to change content other than to increase readability and remove passive voice where possible. I've edited down to the end of Troy. If nobody has any objection to what I've done so far, I'll finish the rest up Saturday evening. I've read some objections to specific content, and I'm trying to stay out of that. If you think I'm stepping on your toes, feel free to revert. If you think what I've done is a positive step, so state - and I'll continue. Hopefully the little I've done speaks to my ability (or lack thereof) enough to encourage others to offer me some direction. :) --Legomancer 05:11, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Drunk driver killing Jeff's son Dylan

Does it really mention anywhere that the man who killed Jeff's son Dylan , Timothy, was drunk when he hit the kid? When it shows a flashback, he hardly looks intoxicated as he cries and has a panic attack.Tayandre 19:05, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

That really confused me. And then Jigsaw claimed to be the one really responsible? (Unsigned post)

I remember a while back someone writing about a "trap" where a woman had to drive above a certain speed and around obstacles (her family members) while she was drugged/drunk. I think it was said that the clip would be on the DVD, maybe this is the real killer?

 ViperBlade ^Talk!! 00:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

That was some vandal's bullshit. Don't believe it.--CyberGhostface 02:40, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I've seen the movie and I agree with you, that the guy who killed Jeff's son did not look drunk. What Jigsaw was referring to at the end, is that he will be responsible for the death of Jeff's daughter, since he knows where she is held and Jeff has just slashed his throat, leaving her whereabouts a mystery. kc12286 00:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)kc12286

Well, while I can hardly be considered a concrete source, I was pretty sure that the tape recorder in the box that Jeff woke up in actually mentioned the "drunk driver" in question. RedSkull619 04:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I recall Jigsaw informing Jeff that Tim was drunk. Also, Jigsaw claimed responsibility for the death of his CHILD. He didn't specify that he was talking about Jeff's son. I'm assuming he was talking about his daughter, whom Jigsaw has seemingly kidnapped, and left with a limited air supply.

Yeah I wasn't saying, Tim wasn't drunk, I was just agreeing with Tayandre, that he didn't look drunk in the flashback sequence. Yes, Jigsaw does mention that he is responsible for the death of Jeff's child and then mentions that he has kidnapped the daughter.

A person doesn't have to be falling-down drunk to be impaired. We're never told just HOW drunk Timothy was at the time, how drunk he THOUGHT he was, or his blood/alcohol level. He might have just been slightly over the limit and only drunk enough to lose focus for a second or to have his reaction time slightly slowed, but that's all it really takes. I'm inclined to believe that, because it seems like he sobered up pretty quickly immediately following the accident.Intooblv 19:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

DVD release

do you know when a dvd release will be available?

• Wikipedia is no way associated with Twisted Pictures, Lionsgate or the people who distribute the Saw DVDs. My guess is about four-to-five months. Don't take my word on it though. The talk page is for discussing the article though, not questions on the articles topic. :-)--andrewI20^Talk 08:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

i just wanted to enhance the article by adding the dvd release info. i heard that it will be released on 4 december this year but up to now, i found no reliable sources to cite and i was wondering if anyone can help me. didn't need a wiseguy-like answer.

December 4th? It probably won't even be out of most theaters yet! Also, please remember to assume good faith, and not risk starting something. RedSkull619 05:14, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

January 21 or 27. =D Yay! WhatTheFace? 14:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Saw IV

Should we add something here about a Saw IV? It appears that it's quite possible that one will be made, according to some reports Mad Jack 19:34, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

• • Could you show me these reports? I originally read that this would be the end. I'd say the ending of the movie pretty much justifies that it would be the end. X) --Smoke Rulz 22:24, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
    • unless there's a reliable source that states something from the studio and/or creators, it would go against WP:NOT. That website that someone posted was not a good source. dposse 17:21, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

It's assumed that it is coming out, because www.Saw4.com has already been registered. Also, LionsGate said so. And, Tobin Bell is signed on to 3 more sequels. D= But Whannel and Wan and Bousman won't be coming back. They already announced that. =D WhatTheFace? 19:25, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there is now a source. [4] I will add to the article Mad Jack 21:50, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Plot Clean-up

Well after reading the revisions of the plot since I added a longer one on the 27th, it looks a lot better. Is there anything that specifically needs clean up? Because if there isn't anything else anyone can point out, I'll remove the tag soon. -Lindsey8417 21:25, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

• • I'd say it's pretty clean and expanded. I'm glad to see some of my errors that I missed were fixed since last night. I left the tag there just in case, but I think it's good enough to not warrant it anymore. --Smoke Rulz 22:25, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

It's very precise. Too precise, in fact. A 22 paragraph synopsis is more fitting for a movie spoiler website, not Wikipedia. It needs to be trimmed, which is one of the conditions in the clean-up tag: if the plot section is overly long, it warrants the tag. Therefore, I'm putting it back up.

Not that it isn't well-written. It is. It's just too long for Wikipedia. --KittyCollier 18:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Waaaay too long.--124.62.212.69 16:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

A four-and-a-half-thousand-word plot summary for Saw III is a joke. The synopsis for Citizen Kane is four paragraphs.

Hmm, true. It is quite wordy, and a bit too precise. I'd edit it myself, but I'm not exactly sure what's important and what's not. --Releeshan 19:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

That jar of "acid"

I've changed the references to the jar of "acid" in Kerry's trap to a "corrosive liquid" or just "liquid" later on. This is because the liquid was probably not an acid - if Amanda knew what she was doing (and I assume she does since Jigsaw trained her), she'd use an alkaline base, not an acid. Basic substances cause much more damage to flesh than acid substances.

Shadowlink1014 06:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe the dialogue in the tape said that it was an acid, but because I can't fully recall from nearly puking my guts out during that part, I'm going to leave it as is.--Dleav 14:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

The information from the film said acid. Anything else is assumptions and original research.--CyberGhostface 20:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Credits Song?

What was the song used in the credits? Not for addition to the article, just for personal interest. Jr W 23:12, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Australian (OFLC) Rating

The film was rated MA15+ in Australia. Just thought someone might use that info. Jr W 23:12, 3 November 2006 (UTC)