Talk:Save America

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Evrik (talk) 19:03, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

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Trump dancing with Melania Trump, who is wearing a gown by her fashion stylist Hervé Pierre

• ... that Save America, Donald Trump's political action committee, paid $132,000 to former First Lady Melania Trump's fashion stylist? Source: Trump political PAC paid Melania’s hair stylist at least $132K for ‘strategy consulting’
  • ALT1: ... that Donald Trump's political action committee paid $132,000 to former First Lady Melania Trump's fashion stylist for "strategy consulting"? Source: same as ALT0
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fumble (song)
  • Comment: Nominated on behalf of an IP editor who will also provide the QPQ. I've nominated quite a few DYKs on their behalf and if there are problems, they will respond and sort it out. So far, all their nominations have checked out.

Created by Schwede66 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:56, 2 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Save America; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Article new and long enough. Obviously a bit of a contentious topic, but hook passes BLP and clearly cited inline and verifiable. No copyvio detected by Earwig, which only flags an inline quote. Pending the completion of the QPQ's review, ping me when it's done. Juxlos (talk) 15:22, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm the originator. Am still partial to the first hook. The Alt oddly doesn't even reflect on its face the name of the new article (Save America). And is longer, without additional interesting content, which makes it imho less hooky. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:B5EA:651C:E560:16BB (talk) 15:59, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

• QPQ is done. Juxlos (talk) 15:56, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

@Schwede66: Unsure about this. WP:DYKNOT states A means of advertising, or of promoting commercial or political causes. While it is fine to cover topics of commercial or political interest, DYK must not provide inappropriate advantage for such causes (e.g. during election campaigns or product launches). Trump is a declared candidate in the 2024 United States presidential election and this hook appears to focus on a negative incident regarding his PAC. I think the hook gives unfair advantage to Trump's political opponents. Bruxton (talk) 01:33, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi. This strikes me as a topic of political interest, an acceptable DYK focus as you point out. True, as with many matters of political interest (masks, pit bulls, abortion, affirmative action) there are those who would think one side is good, while there are those who think the opposite. Here some would find this good (it is an awesome gown in the image, and clearly a legally appropriate expenditure, just like his portraits), while others could take the other side. It would probably simply follow whether they already like him or not. I think what this rule seeks to exclude, in contrast, is something like us focusing on a Clinton-like scandal, or criminal conviction, or the like. Also, you point to this being a PAC - not that this matters, but this isn't his super PAC (MAGA Inc.) .. which is his election PAC (I'm drafting an article on that one (Draft:MAGA Inc.), for which I won't be submitting a DYK), but rather a leadership PAC. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:29BE:6F6A:817E:D32E (talk) 04:22, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Bruxton, that's an angle that I had not considered. I shall leave it to the DYK community to decide. Schwede66 06:27, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm promoting this and changing the hook to:

• • ALT2: ... that a political action committee paid $132,000 to former First Lady Melania Trump's fashion stylist for "strategy consulting"? Source: same as ALT0

--evrik ^(talk) 17:06, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

The hook is neutrally written, and Melania's fashion stylist is not portrayed in a negative light within the article. I think the hook is acceptable and does not give any advantage or disadvantage to any candidate. Edge3 (talk) 02:05, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

There was some confusion at DYK talk on whether ALT2 requires a separate approval. I believe it does not, because ALT2 is merely an improvement upon ALT1. In fact, ALT2 contains less info from ALT1, since Donald Trump's name is omitted to avoid DYKNOT concerns. However, in the same thread on DYK talk, theleekycauldron noted that "strategy consulting" is in "scare quotes", which I find to be unnecessary to the hook. Accordingly, I remove the scare quotes, restore the previous tick of approval, and provide

• ALT2a: "... that a political action committee paid $132,000 to former First Lady Melania Trump's fashion stylist for strategy consulting?"

Edge3 (talk) 04:26, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Suggestion. When we see an inline, we think it leads us to what describes the term. So in ALT2, the term "political action committee." But this is not a DYK about the word "political action committee." It is a DYK about the article "Save America." Which was in the first hook. So, to avoid the reader being mislead and thinking "I know what a PAC is, no reason to click that", I suggest that (as in the original hook) it refer to "Save America" -- not "political action committee." I think that is also consistent with how we handle hooks generally. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:3CC3:FB4F:4617:B83C (talk) 03:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Comment: Further relevant discussion was at DYKtalk Bruxton (talk) 14:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Image caption

An editor deleted information in the caption to an image, that tied it directly to the text to the left of the image, asserting it was "wholly unrelated". I would suggest it be restored. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Save_America&diff=prev&oldid=1165372688 2603:7000:2101:AA00:608D:2669:BF18:7D8B (talk) 20:21, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

(Note: The removed information identified the designer of the gown seen in the photo.) Although the gown's presumably great expense does emphasize the bad faith in which the PAC's money has been spent, this now-removed detail (which was present in the pre-change caption) was non-encyclopedic in tone. Thus, its removal was a valid edit. The body of the article contains the related fact, and that information can be found there. —catsmoke ^talk 03:58, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Meaning of PAC's name

The name Save America begs an important question: Save America from whom? Save America from what? This question is going to occur to anyone who hears the name of the PAC. This seems as though it would be a good topic for the article to address. I myself live in America and I am unaware of any impending danger. —catsmoke ^talk 04:10, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't see any RS coverage of that. But there is unrelated coverage of among other things: "A Plot to Save America from Trump," "Save America From Its Government," "Save America From A Constitutional Crisis," "save America from Barack Obama," "save America from Biden's destruction," "save America from Biden's experiment in Democracy," "save America from the Democrats," " save America from itself," and "Save America from Washington". --2603:7000:2101:AA00:F079:9CA5:9188:4506 (talk) 04:50, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

It raises an important question, it does not "beg" that question. Rschus (talk) 17:19, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Related draft article

A related draft article can be found at Draft:MAGA Inc.

2603:7000:2101:AA00:F079:9CA5:9188:4506 (talk) 04:38, 7 August 2023 (UTC)