Talk:Sasuke (TV series)/Archive 3

Winnings

What is the prize for winning Ninja Warrior? And is ther even one in the first place?68.112.140.3 (talk) 20:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC)Alec Marshall

~~I was wondering this also. Isn't the award money the same as the women's tournament--2 million Yen?

No clue. Where are the gurus when you need them? --68.112.140.3 (talk) 01:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC) Alec Marshall

Guru here: "The prize for completing the Final Stage was ¥2,000,000 (about US$18,618). The prize has now increased to ¥4,000,000 (about US$37,236) since the completion of the 17th tournament." -Taken from the final stage section of the "list of SASUKE stages" page. You guys just had to look harder. Scnoi1217 (talk) 02:24, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. This will be most helpful for my project. --68.112.140.3 (talk) 02:32, 24 July 2008 (UTC)Alec Marhsall

Why is the obstacle chart gone?

WTF? where is it? --SoldierOfColbert (talk) 06:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

List_of_SASUKE_Stages, just like the article links too. VxJasonxV (talk) 16:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

20th tournament?

has there been a 20th tournament already? there seems to be a post on it under All-star #3. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.55.240.64 (talk) 06:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

There hasn't been a 20th competition yet. It looks like wishful thinking on the part of the person who edited it. They also screwed up the tables so it may be a vandal. Lostinube (talk) 06:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

There's still a bit of 20th competition stuff that the vandal left in the table of 1st stage obstacles. Lostintube and I have reverted a lot of it, but as I'm new at this whole wikipedia editing stuff, I'd like someone else to finish up, lest I violate some sort of guideline about not editing a page too often or something. 207.245.124.66 (talk) 19:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I've done a blanket revert to before yesterday's vandal. The only edits today were partial clean-up from the vandal, so I don't think anything useful was lost. - TexasAndroid (talk) 20:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Another vandal again. I think it should be semi-protected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.223.150.57 (talk) 02:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of which, I can't find a 2008 entry for SASUKE on TBS' site. Anyone know the date of the 20th competition? VxJasonxV (talk) 23:19, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Generally TBS does not put up the entry for SASUKE until closer to the date. It's considered a special, not regular programming so it will pop up only when it's relevent. This forum thread states that the taping of the next SASUKE will be March 9th: http://www.webjam.com/bunnyhere/fansformakotonagano/$forum/~ViewTopic?id=11f9eb2a-f913-4712-9bcb-cc51c89f61f3&page=1 The person who posted the information is Japanese and keeps in touch with some of the SASUKE All-Stars and attended the taping of the 19th SASUKE. The show is usually broadcast about two weeks after the taping and between drama seasons I believe. Recently it's been broadcast on Wednesdays. There's a baseball game scheduled for the 12th of March on the TBS Sports calendar so perhaps the 19th of March. Keep checking the TBS website and the Japanese SASUKE wikipedia entry as well as here: http://www.tbs.co.jp/program/sasukemania.html Lostinube (talk) 08:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Who decided that the 20th tournament was the same as the 19th but the first stage has 5 more seconds? Has it been leaked? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.245.110.10 (talk) 03:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

The tournament itself took place last Sunday, but you probably knew that, not that that answers the question. I haven't seen any details nor results yet, so I can't answer the question. We'll know 6 days for certain. If we're putting this to a vote, I vote the details all be stripped until air time, unless a source is added/cited by the editor. VxJasonxV (talk) 05:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree. There's enough unsourced information in this article as is so until it can be clarified, it should be taken out. Waiting a week won't kill anyone.Lostinube (talk) 07:03, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I've nuked all 20th tournament rows, left a note in the summary that it's not to be added without a verifiable source before 7PM on the 26th.

Assuming of course anyone ever reads changelogs :P. VxJasonxV (talk) 00:04, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

On lostinube's blog, one of the videos he posted yesterday of Sasuke Mania 20 definitely shows a Sextuple Step obstacle, and It has been seen in a few pictures beside the new starting line (the one that says 20th anniversary). Is this enough info for a new row in the tables? ~~slowesttooth~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.73.176.133 (talk) 17:07, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Don't bother with adding it in until you can complete the table, and preferably all the rest of the stages too. When we have the entire first stage verified, we can add in the entire row. VxJasonxV (talk) 17:44, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I've added the results for the 20th competition. Will try to get more information up later when I have time. Btw, we'll never learn what the Sky Walk was supposed to be because they changed it to something else. Lostinube (talk) 13:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY :(. I wonder if we could ever ask one of the competitors who were shown a demonstration (assuming they were shown). Like how they played through the third stage for Levi, and TBS aired it, see if Washimi Yuuji or Yamada Koji and the rest of the all-stars/spectators learned how it worked. VxJasonxV (talk) 21:27, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Why do people keep deleting my section about the American Ninja Competitors? Brett Sims did compete with Brian and Levi in 20, yet they keep deleting what I wrote. I also put where they failed in the 20th Competition. Its not false info, lostinube's blog can be evidence. --scnoi1217 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.142.208.48 (talk) 19:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

It's always the same person, I left them a note asking them on their talk page. ( User_talk:NoSole ) VxJasonxV (talk) 21:27, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey everyone, myself and my co-workers have been removing Brett, Brians and Levi's results, as we have the rights to air the show here on G4. I am new member (though not a new user) and am still figuring out how best to use 'talk' pages. I want to be clear, that it is not my intent to 'vandalize' the "American Ninja Warrior" section of the Sasuke page as Jason mentioned. I have A LOT of respect for Wikipedia and the work that you all do to maintain its accuracy and thoroughness! I really truly do! I am not trying to impede upon your right to information or freedom of speech. BUT because this special is something that we'd like to continue - we HAVE to find a way to prevent leakage before the initial G4 airing of the show on May 18th. Otherwise ... there may not be one. Protecting info until its is revealed on our show - well... it is necessary to the survival of all reality based shows - ours is no exception. I won't be deleting anymore, our executives and legal department will be contacting the site in hopes of reaching an agreement. Which hopefully can be done. Thank you once again for all the work you do on maintaining this site! (Jennawils (talk) 21:06, 24 April 2008 (UTC))

You know, with all respect towards Sasuke/NW/G4TV, this is un-Wikipedia. That would be like a movie studio deleting the plot on its movies, or American Idol deleting the voting results until they hit the West Coast 3 hours later (which is unheard of in Wikipedia, if you didn't know). Spider-Man 3's plot was on here 2 weeks before it came out anywhere, that's what Wikipedia is, and all about: getting all the information up as soon as it's available. I have no problem with wanting it off of G4's forums, but...Wikipedia?

--mcfaddenator. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.182.88.61 (talk) 03:25, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

So, anyone still think Viking is harder than Sasuke?

With the addition of the Spider Flip, the Devil Steps, the higher Warped Wall, and the Salmon Ladder, I think they outdid Viking by a good deal. Anything I'm really missing? SelfTitledAlbum 19:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Now that I know that he's done it on Viking, and assuming he makes the third stage this time, Nagano is going in the incumbent. Seeing as he's done the "Spider Flip" / "Heartbreaker" (as it was called on Viking).

Somewhat off topic, I know. I keep forgetting that I need to set Viking to record. It's still airing in re-runs, isn't it? VxJasonxV (talk) 17:47, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

An obstacle name dilemma

I've heard the Tarzan Jump(comps 9-11) called "Tarzan Rope" by the Japanese narrator. Should we keep it as Tarzan Jump,because we already have a Tarzan Rope(18-)?--Xterra1 18:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Obstacle Chart Vandalism

Its seems that someone has vandalised the third stage charts and final stage charts. I do not know how to fix it, so could someone with more expierience than me clean that up?

Supasta 21:31, 22 December 2007

Supasta,I'm on it! Happy Holidays!--Xterra1 16:33, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

A little Christmas treat

No matter you celebrate Christmas, Hannukah, Kwanzaa, or not anything at all, Happy Holidays. As a little treat, here is a link to a video showing the only woman, Chie tanabe, passing the 1st Stage and her short run on Stage 2.

Supasta 11:24, 24 December 2007

Stage 3 Events for the 19th Competition - Source?

Boy would I love to watch the raw TBS airings.

Anyways, I watched the 19th Competition on G4 recently, and as we all know, and as it is documented in the article, no one passed the second stage. So I'm wondering, does TBS showcase the obstacles in the first three stages in detail? I know Ninja Warrior didn't do anything specific in that regard. VxJasonxV (talk) 23:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

The TBS broadcast doesn't really go into much detail. For new obstacles they will briefly show it on the screen with the name of the obstacle at the beginning of the stage, sometimes they only explain it when it comes up. In the case of the new third stage obstacles they showed shots with names as the credits were rolling. Since the show is only aired as a two or three hour special they spend the majority of the time on the back-stories and the competition and let the viewer work the rest out for themselves. Lostinube (talk) 02:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Obstacle Pictures

Is it possible either in this article or another one, to have individual pictures of each of the obstacles? This means images of each individual part of the course need to be taken and shown next to its counterpart.

--86.128.31.30 (talk) 20:07, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

A couple of suggestions/questions

I came here to learn a bit more about this competition, and a few things in the article puzzled me: 1. I didn't see how "all-stars" are being qualified. Is it an arbitary decision or is their a formal requirememnt? Should this be in the article? Or is it there and I'm blind?

2. Do the colors on the obstacles have any meaning, or is it just to make the chart more readable and easily see where the same obstacle has been used across seasons? If the latter, why do some of the different obstacles share a color? Does this need to be clarified in the article, or am I the only person who can't figure this out?

Thanks. 75.163.157.169 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 03:38, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The colors, as of now, are there to make reading the chart a little easier. Originally I had the colors set up so similar obstacles had the same color, much like how all the bridges in the First Stage are right now. I had set the Log Grip and Rolling Log to the same color, the Spinning Log and Log Slope to the same color, just a lot of things like that. I'll probably go and change them back before long, since the certain person with "a passion for Sasuke" (no offense XT) has stopped screwing them up. SelfTitledAlbum 21:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Sky Walk

I can't figure out why everyone thinks the Sky Walk obstacle is similar to the Cliff Hanger. From the short bit they showed on g4's Ninja Warrior, it looked like a big gap the contestants have to jump across with a plain vertical wall to push off of, hence mimicking "walking on the sky". I didn't see anywhere to hold on to to make it a "hanging on" obstacle, but maybe some of you know more than me. What does everyone think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.113.113.93 (talk) 19:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

There's a thick red line at the top of the obstacle. What this is or what it does is unclear, but it's quite possible that it's a bar. I personally doubt this, I do think it's just a jump off a wall to the other side, but I really don't know. You can see a video that specifically displays all of the new obstacles in the Second and Third Stages on YouTube, and they show them much more clearly. If I find it, I'll put a link here. SelfTitledAlbum 21:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I saw that too, but I thought it was just a decorative neon light. It'll be neat to see the obstacle in action, hopefully in Ninja Warrior 20. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.113.113.93 (talk) 00:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it's something of a shimmying-like obstacle. You know like the latest Tony Hawk games when you're shimmying on a building? I think you hold on to the red bar, and your feet are on the plain part of the wall and you have to get to the other side. Similar to "walking on the sky" EDIT: Here's the link http://youtube.com/watch?v=P71a2IqyUHc&feature=related Rollinman (talk) 01:47, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

G4 aired the 19th competiton yesterday, and this time I looked at the small obstacle "picture" on the right-hand side of the screen. The fourth obstacle's picture, the Sky Walk, looked exactly like a seven: 7. Of course, the pictures aren't the most accurate but it resembles a very sharply angled wall that the contestnts run across. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.113.113.93 (talk) 23:39, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I was really confused as to what you meant at first. I thought "surely G4 couldn't show something TBS didn't". So I pulled it up and figured out what you were talking about: G4's Obstacle Icons

From top to bottom the obstacles are: Super Jump, Salmon Ladder, Stick Slider (all of these we know), Sky Walk is indeed in the shape of a 7, then the old Metal Spin, and the new (wooden) Wall Lift.

So, now that we have this icon, this is what I think: I think the Sky Walk is like the "Unforgiving Wall" from Kunoichi_(TV_series)#Third_Stage_2 Third Stage, Competition Five, First Obstacle.

What I cannot decide is what they grip on to. I'm thinking that the comparisons to the Cliff Hanger are accurate, because shimmying across a bar just seems too easy. (For them at least, I couldn't do it :).) The wall is definitely at an angle adversed against the competitor like Kunoicho's "Unforgiving Wall", as evidenced by the icon, the remaining great unknown the what exactly they use to make their way across...

We'll figure it out this month I hope :D. VxJasonxV (talk) 21:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Consistent terms? "1st" vs "First", etc.

Throughout the article, different words are being used to describe the same things. To maintain consistency and avoid possible confusion, only one of the words should be used for each concept. Here are some options, each for the same idea:

• competition, tournament, event, contest, meet(ing)
• 1st, First
• contestants, competitors, participants, challengers, hopefuls, athletes (although not all are)

I think tournament is a bad choice because it defines a type of game where the players directly face one another to determine one (and only one) champion. That is not how Sasuke transpires. The Japanese article calls each broadcast a taikai (大会), which is defined by WWWJDIC as a "convention; tournament; mass meeting; rally". To me, that definition sounds closest to meet or meeting. I think it also embodies the nature of how the athletes come together and battle the course, not each other. (Are the terms "track meet" and "swap meet" internationally common?)

The Japanese article and official sites use numerals (1, 2, 3,...) for each broadcast. The catch is, the numerals are in the form "第3回", whereby the use of kanji may either be interpreted to turn it into a word-written ordinal, like "Third", or be equivalent to writing an English ordinal, like "3rd". I don't have enough information to decide.

The stages (not broadcasts like above) in both the Japanese article and official sites are labeled with English ordinals (1st, 2nd, 3rd, Final). Good, it's clearly defined. Any objections?

Lastly, what should we call the people attempting the course? I would tend to call the athletes challengers or hopefuls. Both the words competitors and contestants, by definition, signify a rivalry among the people attending, which doesn't seem to fit with Sasuke. As for the comedians and celebrities, I would tend to think of them as participants since they aren't really serious, although challengers or hopefuls can fit, too.

What do you think? --Diluvial (talk) 02:09, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Well dayum, that's something that's been irking me for a while. Shall I get cracking? SelfTitledAlbum 16:04, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Taikai can also be used to mean championship and festival depending on the situation. I don't think the word meet is the best way to describe it -- In sports terms, a meet is between two or more teams vying for some kind of prize. I still prefer competition -- the people ARE competing both against the course and for the prize money even though there is a spirit of camaraderie.

Ordinals for the stages is fine as is since they can be supported with evidence (screen caps in this case).

As for each broadcast, that's a bit harder as it can be read in either way: http://lingwiki.com/index.php?title=Japanese_counters However, I think that sticking with 1st, 2nd, 3rd is closest in spirit since very few athletic contests or events go with First, Second, Third.

I don't think we need to differentiate between the different types of people competing. I think one of the keys to the appeal of SASUKE is the fact that anyone has a chance to compete on and possibly complete the course. Participants is a better fit and that will cover everyone. Lostinube (talk) 14:28, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Construction Costs?

I know this sounds like a strange/geekish question, but does anyone know how much it cost the studio to build all 4 stages for sasuke? I've had people e-mailing this question to me at my sasuke fanpage for months and I have no idea, so I was hoping someone could help me figure it out. Any help would be appriciated. ---- Thanx :)

If all else fails, e-mail TBS (Tokyo Broadcasting System) or Monster9. Actually, you may want to do that first. I don't know which of their addresses is most appropriate. Check their sites. --Diluvial (talk) 02:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Music?

For those who are lucky enough to watch the Japanese broadcast (or at least seen the Nagano 2006 win), what is the name of the music when they complete stages 1, 2, and 3? Rollinman (talk) 17:03, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I do believe this is the answer to your question, and mine as well (which I deleted, because I believe we've asked the same question).

If you have flash installed, go here: http://www.neowing.co.jp/track_for_cdj.html?KEY=CRCI-20493 , click on the flash icon for the second track.

Yagyu-Gaiden, by Musashi, is the general "Stage cleared" track. (Details were originally provided on another site by Ube.) VxJasonxV (talk) 21:33, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Injuries?

It would be nice to include a list of injuries sustained by any of the competitors. For instance, I think one of the finalists injured his shoulder when the rope was cut on the final stage. The announcer mentioned that it happened in the previous competition ... Unfortunately i don't know which episode or competitor! Reklar (talk) 17:50, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not good with Wiki, so I'll probably format this all wrong. I want to say it was Takeda, though I'm not certain. I also believe he fell on his own about 15 feet up, it was not a result of the rope being cut. Some information about injuries would be nice, but I'm not aware of a source for this information. They seem to avoid talking about it on the show. I know I have the episode in which a competitor (Takeda?) hurts his shoulder recorded on my DVR. If you need me to dig through all the recorded episodes to find it let me know. 75.173.253.61 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 20:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I think you're thinking of Yamamoto Shingo, who has a bad shoulder, and dislocated it on his attempt on the final stage early on in the run. FMPhoenixHawk (talk) 11:37, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Mountain Climb/Needle Climb

A couple of questions/remarks: Something has been bugging me about the Mountain Climb's description. It says that that the wall moves because of the weight of the competitor. I don't think this is right because I've seen the wall begin to move before the contestant gets on. I'm pretty sure it's motorized, but I don't want to change it until someone has confirmed this. Also, what the heck is the Needle Climb from stage 3? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.113.113.93 (talk) 20:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, no one has responded, so I'm changing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.113.113.93 (talk) 20:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

You were correct in changing this. VxJasonxV (talk) 16:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm watching the 2nd competition right now (hooray G4 re-runs \o/), and wanted to revisit this. I do believe that "to design", the point was not that the wall proceeds quicker once body weight is on it, I think that's just the natural result. The point of the obstacle is that it's a moving/revolving rock wall, quick reflexes, quick path reading, and quick climbing skills are what is required to complete the obstacle. 24.8.131.7 (talk) 20:39, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh bother, that was me. Didn't realize I wasn't logged in... VxJasonxV (talk) 21:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I found this link from another Ninja warrior forum that shows more than I think anyone here has seen of the first tournament. Also included is the Needle Climb obstacle. Is this enough evidence to justify adding it to the Obstacle listings section? (By the way, I'm pretty active on this discussion page but I don't know how to add a signature. Can someone help me with this? Thanks.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnY4KnZfHpo

Interesting, it's like the Tarzan Swing except they're Bamboo sticks coming out of the ground. That's pretty cool, thanks!

Regarding signatures: It's listed at the top of editting a talk page :P. Just type four tildes. VxJasonxV (talk) 07:57, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Did the jump-hang change?

When I was watching Sasuke 15, I noticed that it seemed every contestant went over the jump-hang (as opposed to some going under as in earlier Sasukes). It looks as if they may have removed the gap between the end of the rope net and the platform that comes right after it. Can someone confirm this? The side angle used on television makes it hard to tell if it was changed, but the contestant behaviors seem to suggest it may be different. Scratch that, I saw Akiyama went under the net... In case anyone else was wondering the same thing. 24.58.37.208 (talk) 01:55, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Just for clarification; The Jump Hang has not changed, at least not as far as the routes to take. It is a contestant's choice whether they go over or under. Going over takes more time (in theory) since you 'backtrack' to an extent when climbing up, then roll down and have to get out of the net. Going under takes less time (in theory) but is more dangerous because your foot can NOT touch the water. If it does, even just the tip, the contestant loses. Hope this clears things up for you :). VxJasonxV (talk) 16:33, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

SASUKE 20 Air Date Possibly Announced

Possibly March 26th. TBS doesn't have their page up yet but from Makoto Nagano's site:

3月のサスケ20回大会 (3月26日放映予定) には出場予定ですので、頑張りたいと思います。[1]

The Japanese wikipedia entry is taking this as gospel but I'll hold off putting it in here until we get more concrete proof. Lostinube (talk) 15:27, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Even though someone already put it up, I guess we can use the TBS schedule as proof until the page for the event pops up -- http://www.tbs.co.jp/tv/daily/20080326.html Lostinube (talk) 00:37, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Errr, completely off topic, but I'm missing something...

How does Japan have days greater than 24 hours O_o. Do they represent hours > 24 as "the next day starting at $hour - 24) for some reason? VxJasonxV (talk) 06:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Japan often uses military time and 25:00 and so on is a continuation of that. It's something that you'll see on TV schedules, bars and restaurants mostly -- for TV I've always assumed that it meant a continuation of the broadcast day. Something like this is totally at the discretion of the person in charge. TBS does it[2] but Fuji TV doesn't[3]. The website I usually check the TV schedule on uses both![4]. Lostinube (talk) 17:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Colin Bell school wrong?

If I recall correctly, isn't Colin Bell a student at Michigan State University, not U of M? I thought he just was from Ann Arbor. However, I cannot find anything on the G4 website one way or the other. I could probably check the Michigan State Wiki, (As an alumnus) but I'm not sure if it would be listed there either. FMPhoenixHawk (talk) 08:26, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

DVDs

Has a release date for DVDs of any of the tournaments ever been announced? I could swear I heard something about DVDs beig released soon. It would be nice to see the entire thing unedited (and translated, if possible.) FMPhoenixHawk (talk) 08:26, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully subbed translations, not dubbed translations. I could do without Dave Wittenberg's voice on anything I'd spend my money on :P. (Of course, I pay for cable, but that's a moot point.) VxJasonxV (talk) 03:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Pipe Slider in Sasuke 1

While watching Sasuke 3 on g4, when the the Monkey reached the Pipe Slider, the announcer said something to the effect of "He's conquered this obstacle twice before..." this has to mean that Sasuke 1 included the Pipe Slider. Of course, maybe the tanslation was incorrect. What does everyone else think? 70.113.113.93 (talk) 03:08, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

It's just a wrong translation. The "Needle Climb" was the last obstacle on the third stage They don't always have the right translation. Nothing you can do...... Rollinman (talk) 19:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Kunoichi Easy??

I think it is a fallacy to say that Kunoichi is easier outright. It clearly just emphasizes a different skill set (balance and and quickness) then the male version(strength and size). Most of the men would flop especially on stage 3 of Kunoichi. Its like saying pink cars are easier to drive. Its not correct. 69.250.127.130 (talk) 02:36, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Kunoichi (TV series)

Though, I guess you are talking about Guys' abilities to compete on Kunoichi. I think many of the Male SASUKE competitors would blow through the Kunoichi obstacles. But that's because they're just built larger and have more upper body strength to recover from certain obstacles that their size would prove to be a detriment (i.e. they start to fall, but have enough strength to recover solely by gripping on and hanging).

Food for thought, I don' really care much for "what if"'s, FWIW. VxJasonxV (talk) 04:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I think Daisuke Nakata is Really Ayako Miyake in disguise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Naganofan200 (talk • contribs) 16:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Thoughts On 20th Competition

First off, i would like to thank whoever put the results of the 20th competition on youtube. I did like some things and disliked some things about this tournament. i like that Brett Sims returned to sasuke, sadly falling at the Warped Wall, I also liked the the only person to get to the 3rd Stage was an american! It sounds like he did pretty good. The other thing i liked was that Makoto Nagano was able to complete the 1st stage, but unfortunately, he failed the downhgill jump at the beginning of the second stage. The only thing i really disliked was that only nagano was the only all star to get to the second stage.

Everyone else's thoughts on this?

User:Supasta 18:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Thoughts:

1) Needs more links YouTube links :D.

2) That means this year is better than last year. After all, NONE OF THE all-stars made it last year. This year's first stage was identical with only a difference of 5 additional seconds. VxJasonxV (talk) 00:25, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

There was one on youtube. I was the only one to see it i guess, as it had no views, and i kept watching it over and over. Strangely, after only an hour of beign on youtube, it was taken off by TBS and the user who posted it was suspended from his youtube account. The only All-Star in that video was Kazuhiko Akiyama. He performed well on the Sextuple Step and Log Grip, but, compared to Katsumi Yamada last competition, struggled on the Pole Maze. he passed it with more time left, about 60 seconds, and made a drastic jump to the Jumping Spider. I was surprised that he didn't fall, as his jump was similar to Brett Sim's jump last competition. He struggled like Brett but did not fall. He rushed through that with 30 seconds. He than made a nice run to the Halfpipe Attack, and even grabbed onto the rope, but wasn't able ot hold on long enough to complete the obstacle.

very interetsing so far.

Supasta 16:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Cliff Hanger Grammar

"As of March 2007, no competitor has been able to successfully complete this incarnation of the Cliff Hanger."

"As of" means that the date provided is the latest date available for which the information in question is still true. In March 2008 someone tried and failed, so "as of" 2008 it is true, not 2007 since we have more recent information. So either that goes in or the sentence is changed to make sense. 86.22.94.160 (talk) 00:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

After my big long diatribe on this subject (good job beating me to creating this section), I think I see your point, and see my problem.

"As Of" being the most recent, "Since" being the earliest, right? So if I were to change it to "Since March 2007, this obstacle remains uncleared", that would be correct? (I don't currently intend to, I just want to make sure I'm understanding this properly.) VxJasonxV (talk) 00:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Yep that's exactly what I'm saying. It's either "as of 2008" or "since 2007". 86.22.94.160 (talk) 00:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, sorry for my mixup. Thanks for helping me out. Like I said, now that I understand it, I'll leave it as is. I have no compelling reason to change it to "Since March 2007". VxJasonxV (talk) 01:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Then hopefully when I wake up later, I'll see "As of March 2008" in the article because what's currently in there isn't correct. =) 86.22.94.160 (talk) 01:16, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Whoops... fixed :). Sorry about that. VxJasonxV (talk) 02:05, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

20th SASUKE obstacles

I have photos up of the obstacles for reference. I'm not familiar with the G4 terminology though so the names migt be different from what they call them or what you know them as. These photos all have watermarks on them so they're not suitable for the wiki but if someone wants to do the fair use write up for them I can send them non-watermarked screen caps.
1st stage: http://lostinube.blogspot.com/2008/03/sasuke-2008-1st-stage-obstacles.html

2nd stage: http://lostinube.blogspot.com/2008/03/sasuke-2008-2nd-stage-obstacles.html

3rd stage: http://lostinube.blogspot.com/2008/03/sasuke-2008-3rd-stage-obstacles-and.html

Please remember that everything past the New Cliff Hanger has never been tried yet so any talk about how they should be cleared is probably speculation and probably not appropriate for a wiki. Lostinube (talk) 15:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

By the same token, I should probably remove the speculation about the Sky Walk... VxJasonxV (talk) 23:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Terminology

Regarding an earlier discussion about how to term the people who tackle SASUKE if TBS says competitors here[5] is that enough to justify using the term exclusively throughout the wiki? Any thoughts? Also, I've had no luck tracking down a nominee list for the 2005 International Emmy regionals mentioned on that page. Lostinube (talk) 15:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Is there a specific keyword used repeatedly in the broadcast in Japanese? I'd sooner use the word that is repeatedly spoken by the announcer then one off of an english site marketing a japanese TV show with an english version. VxJasonxV (talk) 23:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Most of the Japanese promotional material just refer to everyone as "人" (hito) or people. No special words as far as I can tell. For what it's worth, the marketing for Kinniku Banzuke also uses the word competitors and the version of the pitch dates back to 2003, well before either show went overseas. Lostinube (talk) 14:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Iketani and Okuyama in the Olympics

I removed the references to Naoki Iketani participating in the Olympics since he never did - his brother did twice but Naoki only covered the Olympics as a TV reporter. This is a link to the past Olympic Team Rosters for Japan.[6] As for Okuyama, I can find no record of him having participated in the Olympics -- even the SASUKE broadcast only mentioned his participation in the 1991 World Championships which I included into the article (sorry, I don't know how to change the wording if it's an internal link). I know I originally blogged that he was the brother of an Olympian (I don't know where that came from) and others may have referred to him as an ex-Olympian but as far as I can find, he never reached the Olympics. For the record, he repeatedly stated during the broadcast that SASUKE is like his Olympics. Lostinube (talk) 12:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Do I have clearance to remove the obstacle chart colors?

I don't know what happened, but the obstacle table a total mess now. There's no organization to anything, and it's bordering hideous. It's loaded with inconsistencies, and people just don't seem to agree on what to do with it. Should I just remove the colors altogether?

Durr, forgot to sign. SelfTitledAlbum 05:56, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you should remove the colors. The page just kind of explodes once you scroll down from the title. Is there a way to make the table borders darker so that it's easier to see? Lostinube (talk) 09:26, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I think we need to pick a set selection of colors, and have it maintained. That is, anyone who cares to be involved, needs to be. We need to agree on something completely, then do the best we can, and revert people's own "artistic intent". We'll only need to revisit it every time a new obstacle is introduced. VxJasonxV (talk) 04:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I was kinda planning on that in the first place, but it's just beyond my control at this point. If we do actually want colors, I do definitely have a set to go from, but considering how almost every obstacle in the 3rd Stage is now like... exactly the same, it's not gonna have much meaning. I don't know. Any ideas? 68.194.186.253 (talk) 05:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Speculation about obstacles

I don't know about the rest of you but I'm uncomfortable speculating about what the latter obstacles such as the Final Ring and new Final Stage are supposed to be. In the Final Ring description there are several "seems to be"s. In fact, every sentence after the one ending "..the ring is smaller." has a "seems to" in it. And we don't know if there is a Spider Climb for the Final Stage. Should we remove these lines? Isn't it easier to just say that the obstacle hasn't been attempted and no other information is available at this time instead of having people fighting over the descriptions? Lostinube (talk) 09:26, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

That certainly makes a lot more sense, yes. An encyclopedia doesn't really narrate, it just states the facts. I've had similar thoughts about the competitions, specifically the parts about when they will air (Ninja Fest 2 / May / blah blah blah). I feel that I'd like the article to state simply:

TBS airs the special in Japan, G4 in the US under the name "Ninja Warrior", Challenge (I think?) in the UK, also under the name "Ninja Warrior".

G4 {insert all other notable countries here} has held their own regional competitions, with the winners being sent to Japan to compete on SASUKE. etc. etc. etc. so on and so forth.

Encyclopedic content is history as it was. The debate/speculation can be here, in the talk page. VxJasonxV (talk) 04:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I think especially the final row of the "Final Stage" table should be reverted back to "Unknown" or something similar. As many people have pointed out, there doesn't seem to be any kind of rope transfer (nor room for it) in the latest images of the final tower. But more importantly, in line with what you two have just said, since nobody has reached it, the description and comments about it are just speculation. 86.22.94.160 (talk) 21:55, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Final Ring and Final Stage

I'm editing the Final Ring because after close observation, the track is on an incline, otherwise, the obstacle would be virtually impossible to complete. Also, with the final stage, judging from the Final Ring screenshot, it looks to be a ladder-esque obstacle in where the spider climb would be. It could be misleading though, as it also could just be part of the stage for easy access to the top. http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff91/lostinube/SASUKE%202008/SASUKE2008_3rdStage-8-FinalRing.jpg Rollinman (talk) 06:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I think we should leave it as unknown for now. I think the only thing set in stone is that the tower is 22.5m. Plus, the ladder can't be seen at all here:

http://www.tbs.co.jp/anatsu/itounaru/20080324.html

--scnoi1217

Errr. (1) Yes, we should leave it as unknown.

(2) Final ring would be impossible to complete if it's on an incline, because the ring would instantly slide back down after the competitor makes any headway "up" the bar. The bar HAS to be on an decline, and is...

(3) The ladder is undoubtedly there for service purposes. Not to mention other screenshots show nothing, or ropes, or tracks (like spider climb tracks, but not a ladder) in it. Anything you see is suspect, and we should NOT come to a conclusion unless we see it attempted. VxJasonxV (talk) 03:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Wait why wouldn't we know how tall the tower is? Look at that photo above or Ube's photos. The tower is fully built and they have the red marker signs on the right of the tower. There are four 5m markers of equal length and the fifth one is half of the others. Thus 22.5m, the same height as the second version of the final stage. --scnoi1217 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.142.208.48 (talk) 01:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot that we had a such a solid picture with the measurement markers. But you're right: http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff91/lostinube/SASUKE%202008/SASUKE2008_FinalStageintheday.jpg <-- each red marker is 5 meters, and the final one looks half as high as the previous. 5, 10, 15, 20, 22.5

Reverted. Again, sorry about that. VxJasonxV (talk) 20:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Nothing new, just there is a much clearer picture of the Final Stage in G4's photo album of Ninjafest 2: http://www.g4tv.com/ninjawarrior/photo_gallery/1036/Ninja_Warrior__Ninja_Fest_2/index.html --scnoi1217 69.142.208.48 (talk) 23:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that's a NICE close up. Definitely gives a better semblance of height there :). Unfortunately, it only tells us what we already now. It's all tall narrow passage that's 22.5M to the hole.

Either way, great shot. Thanks for sharing :). VxJasonxV (talk) 19:12, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Is it just me, or does the final marker say 23m, not 22.5m? --mcfaddenator--

Huh... you're right. There's definitely no .5, and indeed it does look like 23m.

So it's 1.5 feet taller than previous? Weird VxJasonxV (talk) 20:56, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

G4/E! Vandalism

I should probably start reading Wikipedia policy pages, but I'll turn this question to the masses instead.

I don't admit to being a highly knowledgeable wikipedia user (in the context of the wiki and policies itself), but is there anything we can do about all this vandalism by (presumably) G4, the ANW contestants, and anyone else just being "funny"? Based off what I know, the only thing would be to break certain sections off into a new page (we might want to consider doing that with the obstacle list), and have those extra pages protected once all details are finalized.

I would imagine this is also a horrendously difficult and annoying process. VxJasonxV (talk) 21:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree that we need to do something about the person who keeps trying to edit out the America Ninja Warrior information. (If that person is reading this, please note that G4 has already let the cat out of the bag that Levi will do well so there's really no reason to keep deleting the information.). Also, I think the page is getting way too big. I propose possibly splitting up the page. Perhaps the following sections for now should be spun-off into their own articles: All-Stars (the JA Wiki already does this) and Obstacles. If people can do it without too much POV it would be great if each SASUKE had it's own page but that would be a lot of work. Lostinube (talk) 06:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Let's take this split to another section, I don't wish to deter from the vandalism topic, as it is a very real issue in it's own right :). VxJasonxV (talk) 16:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I've left messages for registered users that have deleted content. One was very blunt and quite honestly rude, but I wanted to get the point across that this is not ok. (The sad thing is that that was directed at Brian Orosco, one of the ANW's...). I just now left one on an apparent G4 or E! employee's Talk Page.

User_talk:NoSole

User_talk:Jennawils#Stop_deleting_the_American_Ninja_Warrior_results —Preceding unsigned comment added by VxJasonxV (talk • contribs) 05:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Fourth 1st SASUKE finalist

I think -- I repeat I THINK since I don't have anyway to back it up -- the fourth finalist whose name couldn't be translated is this man: Takashi You http://www.azzlo.com/ty/ Can someone follow-up? Lostinube (talk) 06:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't know if it was him or not. Somebody already changed the name to Yang Chan and a simple Chinese to English translation has it as Yang Chonghui. I have to no way of knowing if this is correct or not. --scnoi1217 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.142.208.48 (talk) 20:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Sasuke Article Splitting/Shortening Discussion

Ube suggested a split of the Obstacle list, and the All-Star list. This makes sense for many reasons, as the details for both of these suggestions can be very very heavy. I agree with the Obstacle list, I disagree with the All-Star list.

It seems backwards to remove the All-Stars from the main article, them being pretty much undoubtedly the most famous/popular of the set of competitors. Not to even mention their continued attempts and skill. If we were to only 'shrink' but not totally seperate the competitor list, I suggest exactly the opposite. Remove all notable non-allstars from the main article into their own page. Alternatively, and this is my personal suggestion, just remove the details of competitors from the main article, and come up with a overview blurb about the variety of contestants that have attempted Sasuke throughout the years, and simply link to the page with the details of them. Two candidates for the split, we can use these to modify them to our liking and then merge them into their own official pages. I just copied over the current content for now: User:VxJasonxV/List_of_Sasuke_Obstacles and User:VxJasonxV/List_of_Notable_Sasuke_Competitors. VxJasonxV (talk) 16:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I think we need to also add the charts to the obstacle list. And I wasn't suggesting completely taking out the information about the All-Stars but I was hesitant about adding a competitors page. Since you've brought it up, that would be my choice. Brief capsule bios that either lead to an All-Stars page or the All-Star section of a Competitors page won't demean their accomplishments. The main article doesn't have to be the be all, end all of SASUKE information. Look at how every other long running TV series is handled -- we treat the competitors like we would a cast of characters. Some are rather important and get a bit more play in the main article and sometimes warrant their own article. Others are grouped together. Plus, out of all the sections, the competitors portion is where people keep adding and adding new information, making proofreading difficult. Lostinube (talk) 15:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I considered the same thing about the charts, but ultimately I personally decided against it. Here's why;

The point I'm figuring for all this is to keep the high level/abbreviated details in the article. Those details that would be good for a quick overview, a quick reference. Sections with further details or where further explanations are warranted are what should be split off. I don't believe the charts should be removed from the main article. Maybe they should exist in both?

There is something to be said for perhaps being able to click an obstacle from a chart, and be taken to the details of that obstacle. Granted any link could be an anchor, or a page+an anchor, but avoiding refreshes and page loads help, of course.

I like your idea for the competitors page. And the content that will remain about them on the main article. VxJasonxV (talk) 20:44, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

WTF!?

There is vandalism on the final stage. Rollinman (talk) 18:30, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I reverted it, but its always the same person. Look for someone with this IP address: 89.240.212.151 He is vandalizing the Sasuke and Kunoichi articles. 69.142.208.48 (talk) 14:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

My color overhaul

You might have noticed that I overhauled the table colors recently. I'm requesting that the Third Stage's "Rumbling Dice" and "Arm Rings" be recolored,and that color can't match any other Third Stage colors. Thanks,Xterra1 19:10, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Um... no offense there X, but the obstacle table looks ridiculous like this, with every single obstacle a different, random color. Think Michael J Fox on meth with a canvas and oil paint. It's a little painful to look at and comprehend. It's something I haven't kept up with in a long time, but fo' realz, it needs some sort of structure, which it does not have at the moment. SelfTitledAlbum 08:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Results

Do you guys think it's a good idea to write down the second stage finalists as well as the third and final stage finalists. Not like were writing down all 2000 competitors. Just second stage and beyond.

Don't forget to sign your comments if you have an account. Anyway, it's tough call but if we keep the results on the same page as the main article, they should be limited to whoever went the furthest in that particular competition. The page is shorter now that the obstacle list is on another page but if we keep adding more and more results, where will it stop? In the 4th competition 34 people made it to the 2nd stage. That would definitely count as list bloat. Also, since G4 doesn't show the complete competition and people in Japan are generally working with incomplete information since the show has never been re-aired we can't really ever give a full and detailed account. Either the results go on a seperate page where the list can be expanded or just keep it as whoever went the furthest in each competition. Lostinube (talk) 17:08, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, the Japanese Wiki lists around the top 5 people that make it the furthest, and since not many people have made it in the last two tournaments that list includes the first stage. That could work with Competitions 5 and 20 because not too many people made it. In 19, it becomes a problem because Takuya Kawahara made it to the Rope Ladder, yet his run wasn't shown in 19. When the competition has a lot of people in the 3rd Stage (like 4,12,16,17, etc.) the results can stay the way they are. Others, I guess we could add the 2nd Stage competitors (5 and 20 in particular). Since they have been added, I think we should leave them in there. --scnoi1217 69.142.208.48 (talk) 03:10, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Can we please, please just have this article semi-protected? It'll make things so much easier.

Read the topic. That is all. SelfTitledAlbum 05:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

2nd stage information?

There appears to be an ongoing disagreement about whether or not to include 2nd stage information. Can someone please explain why this information doesn't belong in the article? --GoodDamon 17:33, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Can someone at least tell me how many people cleared stage 2 out of the 2,100 competitors? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.95.165.2 (talk • contribs) 22:42, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Look in the "Results" section two up from here. Personally, I don't mind it. I don't think it necessarily hurts the article, but I see where it can get a little crazy, especially in the earlier tournaments. But if the Japanese wiki page goes into the 2nd Stage (and sometimes into the 1st Stage for Tournaments like 5,19, and 20) for the results, then I think it's ok to add 2nd Stage results for the tournaments where we know all of the info, such as the latest tournaments. As long as it is a reasonable number of results (16 people like in Sasuke 16 should be the absolute maximum) and not like 30+ in Sasuke 4. Scnoi1217 (talk) 19:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I propose a top ten list for each stage. Obviously this would run a little more if people were tied at 10th place for failing at the same obstacle, but I feel it'll keep a more general standard going, rather than having the exception of Sasuke 19. Plus, if it is a competition where the results were poor, it'll still keep a good record of who did relatively well, even if it means going into the First Stage. SelfTitledAlbum 05:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I could go with that. Was there ever a third stage with more than 10 people in it? Anyone know? VxJasonxV (talk) 00:04, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

There was more than 10 people in Sasuke 4. There were exactly 10 people in the 3rd Stage in Sasuke 12 and 14. Look, the Japanese wiki does the results like this: Sasuke 18:

   *1st Place: 98) Kenji Takahashi, 97) Shunsuke Nagasaki 3rd / New Cliffhanger (2 → 3 Ledge)
   *2nd Place: 96) Makoto Nagano 3rd / New Cliffhanger (2 → 3 Ledge, Disqualified) 
   *4th Place: 86) Toshihiro Takeda, 60) Takamasa Nagasaki 2nd / Salmon Ladder (6 → 7 stages)
   *6th Place: 70) Yuji Washimi 2nd / Salmon Ladder (5 → 6 stages)
   *7th Place: 73) Katsumi Yamada, 56) Hiroshi Huzinami 48), Naohiro Suzuki 1st / Rope Ladder

Sasuke 19:

   *1st Place: 86) Yuji Washimi 2nd / Salmon Ladder (6 → 7 Level)
   *2nd Place: 79) Koji Yamada 2nd / Salmon Ladder (6 Level, Time Up) 
   *3rd Place: ??) Takuya Kawahara, 57) Atsushi Hirata 1st / Rope Ladder
   *5th Place: 100) Makoto Nagano, 97) Shunsuke Nagasaki, 82) Bunpei Shiratori (time up), 77) Takamasa Nagasaki, and many more 1st / Flying Chute

So, it really depends on the competition. Sasuke 5 and 20 only have the top 5, while Sasuke 16 has the 16 that made it to Stage 2 and Sasuke 4 has the top 13 (which ends at those who failed the Hammer Dodge). I say that we should add the 2nd Stage info for all the competitions, and for extreme tournaments where few make it (Sasuke 5, 18, 19, 20, etc.) we should add the First Stage info, but only up to the last obstacle of the First Stage (Rope Climb, Rope Ladder, etc.) That's my opinion: for the results to be more like the Japanese wiki. Scnoi1217 (talk) 01:01, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

2nd Stage information - Poll

Ok, so this topic has been discussed before, but there hasn't been any definitive answer. Should we include 2nd Stage information: Yes or No? The Japanese and Chinese wikipedia pages include 2nd Stage information and sometimes 1st Stage information if not many people make it. I say we should add them. They've been added in before only to be reverted by 71.249.255.91 because he says they are "unnecessary". I don't think they are unnecessary at all. They are the facts, and would be suitable for the wiki page. Could they bloat the page? Sure. But if both wikipedia pages listed above can do it and not take up half the page, then we can too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scnoi1217 (talk • contribs) 02:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

The Japanese wikipedia page takes the results in the form of a "Top Ten" per competition whenever possible but generally lists people who failed at the same spot on the same line (that's where the numbering goes up, which at times can reduce the appearance of the list.

Also there was a discussion in the talk page of the Japanese article about how the page was too long. And both the English and Japanese wiki pages are too long and hard to navigate. Sure, we may not think so but we're the ones editing it, we know where things are.

The best answer, I think, is to spin the results off to it's own page where it can be as long as people want it. You can have a shorter overview of who went the farthest, perhaps a Top Three, for each SASUKE on the main page. The main article does not have to be the be-all, end-all. People who want everything on one page just want it that way for convenience.

Long story short, only 2nd stage info if it is relevant to the particular competition (as in who went the farthest) with another page that has a more comprehensive list of results (which only really needs to be copy and pasted from this article for the time being). Enough people come here looking for results that another page based solely on the results would be justified. Lostinube (talk) 05:49, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it's fine the way it is. IMO 2nd stage info is only needed if nobody makes the 3rd stage in that particular tournament (the 19th). 72.37.171.148 (talk) 12:47, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

"Sasuke" v. "Ninja Warrior"

Disclaimer: What follows is an honest question and not an attempt to antagonize this article's editors.

Why is the article called "Sasuke" instead of "Ninja Warrior"? Isn't that against the naming conventions, where it is stated that "article naming should reflect what English speakers easily recognize"? After all, Ninja Warrior is the show's name in the United States, the United Kingdom and New Zealand.--Nohansen (talk) 00:29, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

But "Sasuke" is the show's REAL name, Ninja Warrior is just a made up name by G4. Much of the info in the article is about the Japanese broadcast, because G4 doesn't show much. And even though it is called Ninja Warrior, all of the episodes are named "Sasuke xx, Part x", so most people know the show's real name is "Sasuke". This situation is similar to the "soccer/football name change" but the wiki article on soccer is under the "Association football" article. Scnoi1217 (talk) 00:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

A Plea for the 21st competition changes

Not that I REALLY expect certain (read: probably anonymous, possibly non-english) users to read this first, but;

SASUKE21 is slated to be run/filmed on the 7th of September, and aired on the 17th of September. I think I can safely say that many of us here don't mind speculation and rumors, it gives us something to go crazy analytical over :). However, PLEASE DO NOT put said speculation/rumors into the article itself. Until airtime on the 17th of September, any SASUKE21 "facts" are indeed not, they are rumors and nothing more. I don't wish to seem disrespectful to people with sources, who know the information to be fact, but no one can reliably vouch for you.

Please save it for airing, and then add the absolute as-aired facts to the article.

Any speculation can take place in a number of locations. Here, the sasukefans webjam, your blog, wherever you want. Just please please, PLEASE; NOT in the article itself.

This public service plea for sanity was brought to you by VxJasonxV (talk) 01:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I completely agree 100%. Problem is, there still is plenty of speculation from previous tournaments, especially in the Sasuke Stages article. Hopefully, we don't have another revert war between us the editors and G4 staff. Let's just leave the facts here after they air. Scnoi1217 (talk) 01:55, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I think the "speculation" you speak of is not speculation. FWIW, I know now for a fact that "Shin Cliff Hanger" is probably what we should be using, instead of reverting. A new friend of mine who recently returned from Japan as part of the JET_Programme, was going into way more detail when watching SASUKE with me than I've ever been able to have before.

I think the clash that we have (the so called "speculation", that isn't the recent sasuke21/22 miss cleo madness), is Japanese detail vs. English editors on an english article. The airing of SASUKE does indeed say, "shin" (新) cliff hanger. Not to mention, the Japanese announcer says it too. Shin Cliff Hanger literally meaning NEW Cliff Hanger.

See the following: http://i35.tinypic.com/2vkkl86.png and http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?9U

That first character (新) is Kanji, and it is shin (again, see the www.csse.monash.edu.au link), the rest is Cliff Hanger (obviously).

Having said that, I now understand why the continual edit war over Shin Cliff Hanger and Reverse Conveyer Belt take place. And given how much we harp and rave about the fact that this is SASUKE and not Ninja Warrior, we've been doing a bad job of practicing what we preach. (And no, I don't have an opinion on other obstacles such as the "Yellow Posted Hop Rocket" and the like. I've not seen a Japanese airing of Kunoichi, not to mention, again, I don't know Japanese.)

Guess that happens when you have editors that don't actually speak Japanese. (And if someone here does, PLEASE correct me if necessary! Verifiable proof is a great thing.)

Having said all that, I also DO NOT agree that we should leave the facts here after they air. G4 wouldn't want the spoilers ANYWHERE, and while an edit war shouldn't take place in the first place, spreading it to the Talk Page is really really bad. I think you should NEVER be editing things in the Talk Page that aren't yours.

And now I'm blabbing, hopefully I've made all my points clear enough. VxJasonxV (talk) 04:49, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Dude, I already know all about the whole Shin-Cliffhanger situation, and that wasn't what I was talking about at all. I'm talking about the obstacles that haven't been attempted yet: The Ascending Climb, Spider Flip, Final Ring, and the Final Stage, not to mention the Skywalk from Sasuke 19. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about. I was the one that changed the "Bridge of Blades" to the "Cross Bridge" because that's the obstacle's REAL name, that is what the announcers say. And while I don't speak Japanese, I do get much of my information from the Japanese and Chinese wiki pages (run through translation software) as they have vast amounts of credible info, considering those articles are semi-protected.

About the Sasuke 21 spoilers, I'm sorry, but this is not G4's site and they do not have any right to delete spoilers. This is "supposed" to be an encyclopedia-type article, which means it is supposed to be based on facts. The Sasuke 21 results are facts, and we might as well be honest here: G4 couldn't care less about any of the spoilers except the ones about the American Ninja Challengers. If G4 doesn't want spoilers, then THEY should do something about it, not us. Maybe they should move up their Ninjafest dates from two months after the TBS date, and don't say that it takes them two months to edit it because it doesn't. They get a 2-hour version of the TBS broadcast and they put in all of that over-edited segments. It is very unrealistic to think that the whole world is going to remain quiet for two whole months. If TBS can edit and promote a show into a 4 hour broadcast in a week and a half, then I think G4 can get editing done in at least a month. Believe me, I was here for Sasuke 20. I actually added in where certain people failed, including the ANC guys. I don't want a revert war at all. Don't take anything that I said personally, I'm just venting my opinion on this mess. Scnoi1217 (talk) 05:54, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Too much info

There is way too much clutter on this page. Either we should toss out some of the charts for the All-stars are make new articles for the All-Stars and results. I love Sasuke, but I still know an ugly looking page when I see one. --Rubiksphere (talk) 22:28, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

About half of the article is a reference table, and not condensed (packed) text. Splitting off the list of obstacles (+descriptions) and stage obstacle tables helped a ton.

While I disagree that it's an ugly page, I do concede that it could be organized better. I'd almost suggest that the general event table/results be split off to their own page, I can't seem to come up with a good reason for doing so, however :). VxJasonxV (talk) 21:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Location

As a person knowlegeable on maps and cartography, I have found the location (coordinates) of the Sasuke staging area. I am 100% sure I found the correct location; it is in Kanagawa. Is it against any rules to put it in a section in the article? Let me know if I can post it here or not, and provide a reason why please. If I can, tell me which section I should put it in or if I should create a new one. Mattokunhayashi (talk) 05:09, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

The only reason I could think of not putting it in is that it would count as original research. And anyway, we should probably add this link in already as it is the official site for the Midoriyama Studio http://www.midoriyama.co.jp/index.html which gives you the exact address of the studio as well as how to access it. Lostinube (talk) 11:42, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

"Notable Competitors" Results

I forsee, very quickly, that the "Notable Competitors" list is going to become very unmanagable and huge over the course of the next few competitions. I'm trying to come up with a creative solution, and I think that a table of competitions (with no "did not compete" rows) of their participation is a good thing to do. But if we start stacking that in the main article, it'll get crazy cluttered and huge... again.

Any ideas? VxJasonxV (talk) 19:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

What about a "List of Sasuke Competitors" wiki page including the All-Stars and the others? (HairMetalLives (talk) 21:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC))

Announcers

I have a question that's hard to put into words. In the first dozen or so tournaments, they had one announcer, but added another one in the thirteenth or so tournament. What are these gentlemen's names? (HairMetalLives (talk) 21:14, 17 September 2008 (UTC))

I believe the information you are looking for is in the box on the right of the article under "Narrated by"

Narrated by Ichiro Furutachi (1997-Fall 2003) Keisuke Hatsuta (2004- ) Wataru Ogasawara (1997- ) Lostinube (talk) 11:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I did see that, but I'm still a little confused. Is Ogasawara the guy who did the play by play all by himself during the first dozen or so tournaments? (HairMetalLives (talk) 03:23, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd re-type but I don't have the time right now but maybe this will help you Lostinube (talk) 18:36, 21 September 2008 (UTC):

   * 古舘伊知郎（第1回大会 - 第12回大会（1st81番 - 100番、2nd、3rd、FINAL））
   * 初田啓介（第2回大会 - 第12回大会（1st1番 - 80番）、第13回大会 - 第20回大会
    （1st1番 - 30番、81番 - 100番、2nd(第4回大会、第13回大会)、3rd、FINAL、第20回大会1st51番 - 100番））
   * 戸崎貴広（第1回大会（1st1番-80番）
   * 駒田健吾（第13回大会（1st31番 - 80番））
   * 小笠原亘（第14回大会 - 第20回大会（1st31番 - 80番・2ndSTAGE、第20回大会1st1番 - 50番）

Basically, what that says is that Ichiro Furutachi did the commentary in the 1st 12 Sasuke tournaments. He would take over at #81 and to the rest of the 1st Stage and then Stages 2-Final. Wataru Ogasawara has been there almost from the start. While Furutachi was there he would commentate #1-80. After Furutachi left, he does about half of the 1st Stage, the 3rd, and Final Stages. In Sasuke 4 and 13, he did the 2nd Stage as well. Keisuke Hatsuta came in the 14th Competition and has been there ever since. He usually commentates #31 - #80 while Ogasawara does the rest in the 1st Stage. He then commentates all of the 2nd Stage. There have also been a few others that have only been there for one tournament. Scnoi1217 (talk) 19:54, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Definition of All-Star

I have a quick question. What exactly qualifies a competitor to be named an "ALL-STAR"? My basic understanding was it goes to those who at least completed the 1st Stage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.132.235.104 (talk) 18:17, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism Uprising

There seems to be an awful lot of vandalism of this article over the last week and a half, roughly. This is basically more or less a call to be a little more vigilant about the edits made here and to change any bad edits back as soon as possible. (HairMetalLives (talk) 22:54, 17 February 2009 (UTC))

Hang Climbing vs. Ascending Climb

There is a little bit of an edit war going right regarding the Hang Climbing obstacle (21st Tournament, Stage Three). It keeps getting changed to "Ascending Climb" or "Asending Climb" by one editor. However, "Ascending Climb" is a name fabricated by G4 for their Ninja Warrior broadcast and is in no way whatsoever official. This is a Sasuke page, not a Ninja Warrior page. All obstacle names (and everything else, frankly) should reflect that of the Japanese broadcast of Sasuke, not any foreign airing of the show. Period. (HairMetalLives (talk) 05:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC))