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what have you done with story

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For God sake ,what have done with story of sassi Panh,i am changing it,i have much better source they any one ,read Sur Sassi Panhu by Shah Abdul Latif.it is lengedry story so please be carefull with it.


--Khalidkhoso 12:08, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Kahlidkhoso

Hashim Shah (1735-1843) was a Punjabi writer and Sufi poet, best known for his story Sassi Punnun (or Sassi Pannu). In hashim's sassi the young child sassi is thrown into the chenab, Sassi is as much a part of Punjabi literary tradition as 'Sohni Mahiwal'(despite being not Sindhi) is part of Sindhi literary tradition. Sassi punnu is strictly a literary topic not political or historical. Though the names of places indicate the place where the legend originated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.126.199.122 (talk) 02:43, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject class rating

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 19:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Laila Chanesar

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What is the actual name Laila Chanesar or Lila Chanesar ?  Jon Ascton  (talk) 07:53, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Film adaptations

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A section on film adaptations would be helpful. I found seven at IMDB:

  1. Sassi Punnu (1928, India) with Master Vithal and Zebu
  2. Sassi Punnu (1932, India) Hindi with Eiden Bai and Haider Bandi
  3. Shashi Punhu (1932, India) Hindi with Noor Jehan and J. Sushila
  4. Sassi Punnu (1946, India) Hindi/Punjabi with E. Bilimoria and Geeta Nizami
  5. Sassi Pannu (1958, Pakistan) Sindhi with Abdul Karim Baloch
  6. Sassi Punnu (1965, India) Punjabi
  7. Sassi Punnu (1968, Pakistan) Punjabi with Aaliya, Zeenat Begum and Iqbal Hassan

See http://www.imdb.com/find?q=sassi+punnu&s=all – Fayenatic L (talk) 17:03, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 14 July 2023

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. Per lack of participation. WP:NPASR. (closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 19:12, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article should be renamed to 'Sassi Punnu' to reflect WP:COMMONNAME, please see the Google Books Ngram viewer graphs here. The spellings of "Sassi Punnu" and "Sassi Pannu" is the only one that gets any hits at all. The spellings of "Sassui Punnhun" , "Sassi Panhun", or "Sassi Panhu" and other seeming variations gets no hits at all. ThethPunjabi (talk) 00:18, 14 July 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. EggRoll97 (talk) 03:02, 21 July 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 16:41, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note 1: since the #1 proposed title has been turned into a dab page, it becomes ineligible to be a proposed title unless it, too, is formally dispositioned. "Sassi Punnu → Sassi Punnu (disambiguation)" has been added to this request to meet that requirement. EggRoll97 (talk) 00:36, 15 July 2023 (UTC) [reply]
Hello, @ThethPunjabi. Respectfully that would be a butchering of the name. Especially of Punnhu. It's not "Pannu". I would argue that Pannu is not popular. Even in the Punjabi version of Hashim Shah (translated by Christopher Shackle) the name is "Punnun" not Pannu. The current title reflects the original spelling in both Sindhi & Baloch literature. Sassui (سَسُئِي) is the original name in the texts. Which you can also verify in the old texts. In the most popular version, Sassui is the name in 4 separate chapters. It is in use which you can see here. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] Even a publication by the Culture department of the Sindh Government writes it as "Sassui Punhun" for which I can provide more than enough references if you want. Noteworthy poets like Sachal Sarmast too write it as that. So it is best to stick to the original title of the article. I hope you understand. Sir Calculus (talk) 10:12, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also, @ThethPunjabi can you remove "Part of a Series on Punjabis" tag? It is misleading & it would be better to add a Punjabi folklore tag. Just like Sindhi folklore tag is added. Sir Calculus (talk) 10:15, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Sir Calculus Currently no Punjabi folklore template exists but I’ll create one later today and replace it with it. ThethPunjabi (talk) 18:53, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@ThethPunjabi I just checked it out. Great work, I love the color choice. Sir Calculus (talk) 20:16, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Sir Calculus "Sassi Punnu" is by far the WP:COMMONNAME if you look at the Google Books data. These other spelling variations do not get any hits at all. It is evident that the name needs to be changed to reflect this reality. Is there any data to support the argument to prove those spellings are more popular and common than "Sassi Punnu" or "Sassi Pannu"? ThethPunjabi (talk) 19:41, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@ThethPunjabi WP:COMMONNAME Doesn't keep us limited to Google Books. You wouldn't find many Balochi or Sindhi authored books there either. I can give government publication references where it says Sassui/Sasui Punnhu/Punnu instead of Sassi Pannu if that is required. I am okay with providing with more than enough English language references where it supports that. Also, it's a sensitive topic. Let's keep the title as it originally is. Let's stick to the books. Both Baloch & Sindhi versions have Sasui. Changing it differently may drift us away from WP:NPOVTITLE a little bit. Sir Calculus (talk) 20:37, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Providing the sources is definitely in order, since there is little go on other than the GBooks results.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  03:15, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Here are some english language sources:
These are high quality sources. Let me know if more are needed @SMcCandlish.
  1. ^ Sons of Desert. Information Department, Government of Sindh.
  2. ^ Annemarie Schimmel. A History of Indian Literature - Vol VIII.
  3. ^ Zulfiqar Ali Kalhoro. Archaelogy, Art and Religion in Sindh. Culture & Tourism Department, Government of Sindh.

Sir Calculus (talk) 10:00, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support: Of course, Google Ngrams is just a sample of books. And there are books using other spellings. But it does seem to be the more common spelling, looking at a Google Books search. And even looking instead at a simple Google search, I get 48,200 results for "sassi punnu" -wikipedia and 2,780 for "sassui punnhun" -wikipedia. SilverLocust 💬 04:32, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @SilverLocust Google books is quite limited when it comes to Sindhi & Balochi literature. That's why I added refs for books which are not available on Google books, government publications especially. I can send more refs if you want. You will naturally find more "Sassi Punnu" because of the population of the Punjabi ethnic group in Pakistan estimated at about 108,586,959, they use Sassi Pannu. The literature in question here originates in the Sindhi & Balochi regions, and is based in those regions. And in the native versions, the names are exactly as the ones in the current article. So it's best to stick to the current version of the article. Anyways, I got about 159,000 results when I typed in "Sassui Punnu", 130,000 when I typed "Sassi Punnu" and 2,990 when I typed "Sassui Punnhun". But no matter what variation I search. The main article still comes up in the first result. So it's not necessary to change it. Sir Calculus (talk) 16:14, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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