Talk:Sarah Bishop (hermit)

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Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Thanks for your work on this article! I've marked this as reviewed, and also added some information I found on google books.

ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 01:38, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pirate Vs. Hermit

Leaving this here at the advice of some editors on Discord. There's a small chance that Sarah Bishop the pirate is not the same as Sarah Bishop the hermit, as none of the newspapers mention her time on the pirate ship when discussing her as a hermit. I would've expected the newspapers to mention a reason for her to live as a hermit, but no, they just go "she was a beautiful lady" to "she's a hermit" with no explanation.

However, given that the timelines mostly match up (it's mentioned in the newspapers that hermit her became a hermit roughly around 1781, which matches up with pirate hers escape, which was roughly 1780) and that it's also implied in the two books cited (not explicitly, though they both mention relatively similar events), I'm nearly 100% certain they're the same person. Just leaving this here in case anyone wants to double check my reasoning. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 02:59, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This also shares the same view, and mentions a few helpful resources. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 03:24, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article links her time as a pirate captive and being a hermit in Connecticut. Your Discord friends should really cite their sources regarding their doubts. Additionally, multiple sources on Sarah Bishop mentions pirate and hermit together. There's very little doubt.

-------> https://news.halstonmedia.com/articles/sarah-bishop-the-hermitress-of-the-salems?

More good secondary sources about Bishop.

https://sarahbishop.org/about-sarah-bishop/about/

https://patch.com/new-jersey/madison/pirate-women-storm-into-museum-of-early-trades

Others

https://www.newspapers.com/image/837051777/?terms=%22Sarah%20Bishop%22&match=1

As well as the other stuff cited already in the page. Gameking69 (talk) 03:24, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Gameking69, and thanks for the response. Slight correction, I was the one with doubts, not my Discord friends. After performing a bit more research, I no longer have any doubts about her identity. Thanks! ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 03:29, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gameking69: Also, quick question, would you be opposed to a move to "Sarah Bishop (hermit)", since that seems like what she's known for the most? ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 03:32, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. It's done. Gameking69 (talk) 04:09, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dates, numbers and sources

@ARandomName123

Thank you for your interest in my article. However, I ask you kindly to please double check things you added, as they are very wrong.

Example:

1. Her death date is not 1810, according to a Halston Newspaper article, they found the body in February 1809. Therefore her death is c.1809 since we don't know the exact date. The abbreviation "c." stands for "circa," which is Latin for "around" or "approximately."

2. No idea where you get she was about 50 years old. Myself, I cannot find reference to the number 50 or her birthdate.

3. Zuidhoek's The Pirate Encyclopedia never mentions she visited nearby villages. Only she resided as a hermit in Ridgefield, Connecticut. The subsequent source from the contemporary newspaper is appropriate for the citation.

4. The newspaper account in 1804 is confusing. Mention WHO "Alexandria Gazette" and it is actually dated Sep 06 1823.

I could make the changes now to correct things, but I see you're in the real time process of editing. Therefore I shall yield for now until things are settled.

Summary: Overall be specific, accurate and be precise. Gameking69 (talk) 03:39, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gameking69: I'm finding various sources for her death date, so I'll change it to circle 1809, per your suggestion. The 50 year old part is from the newspaper account at the bottom of the page, which reads "Sarah Bishop (for this was the name of the Hermitess) is a person of about fifty years of age." Her visiting nearby villages is also mentioned in said source. The newspaper account in 1804 is the article from The Recorder. Alexandria Gazette is a newspaper, not a person. I hope this clears things up. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 03:44, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, about the nearby villages point, that's mentioned in The Alexandria article. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 03:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

more sources on bishop to gander

http://www.naturegeezer.com/2017/01/sarah-bishop-hermitess-on-mountain.html

https://www.merrycoz.org/sgg/lifetime/Lifetime01.xhtml

https://www.merrycoz.org/sgg/lifetime/Lifetime02.xhtml

https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Recollections_of_a_Lifetime/H4j7oMKBz5wC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Recollections+of+a+Lifetime+%22Samuel+Griswold+Goodrich%22&printsec=frontcover

https://sarahbishop.org/about-sarah-bishop/about/

https://www.ridgefieldct.org/sites/g/files/vyhlif4916/f/pages/sarah_bishop_-_area_10.pdf

https://www.theridgefieldpress.com/opinion/article/Natural-Ridgefield-Sarah-Bishop-Open-Space-14437365.php

https://www.ctmq.org/rcc-sarah-bishop/

https://www.amazon.com/Ridgefield-Tavern-Romance-Bishop-Hermitess/dp/1120922577

https://www.amazon.ca/Ridgefield-Tavern-Hermitess-American-Revolution/dp/0243966105

https://lockkeeper.com/features/sarah%20bishop/index.htm

https://archives.library.wcsu.edu/omeka/items/show/1944?advanced%5B0%5D%5Belement_id%5D=49&advanced%5B0%5D%5Btype%5D=is+exactly&advanced%5B0%5D%5Bterms%5D=American+fiction&sort_field=added&sort_dir=a

https://dp.la/item/546a0b93e375d58ded7dd499ec083e34

http://emuseum.chs.org/emuseum/objects/15922/sarah-bishops-cave?ctx=79e59ac1350950e2f600c10ada4932e833f09fff&idx=0

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Woman_peering_into_Sarah_Bishop%27s_Cave.jpg

https://ridgefieldtheaterbarn.org/eccentricwomen/

https://ridgefieldhistoricalsociety.org/event/eccentric-women-of-ridgefield-copy/

https://cawct.org/event/theater-barn-presents-encore-performances-of-eccentric-women-of-ridgefield/2023-09-09/

https://news.hamlethub.com/ridgefield-connecticut/10092-explore-a-vernal-pool-with-the-discovery-center-at-ridgefield

https://jackfsanders.tripod.com/namesindex.htm

https://inridgefield.com/events/eccentric-women-of-ridgefield-2022/

https://ernestopriego.com/2020/04/16/the-lockdown-chronicles-7-sarah/

https://betweenthesepages.com/2012/07/31/sarah-bishop/

https://finleymuse.com/projects/sleeping-under-stars-living-under-satellites/

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:The_History_of_Ridgefield%2C_Connecticut

https://greensleeves.typepad.com/berkshires/2006/10/the_lonesome_de.html

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/21694631/sarah-bishop Gameking69 (talk) 04:13, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We should remove the full poem, I think

Hey! I love this article so much. I'm tempted to remove the poem by Samuel Griswold Goodrich because it is so long (it currently takes up about a third of the article!). Let me know if you have any thoughts. If no one feels strongly, I'll come back in a few days to remove the poem and instead, just mention and link to it from the article. Crunchydillpickle🥒 (talk) 23:15, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd prefer you didn't. The poem is a major part of her notability and adds character to the article. I don't think it gets in the way of anythhing.

Female Pirate is not the best way to introduce Sarah

The introductory sentence describes her as a female pirate, this seems dubiously accurate, and certainly not the best way to introduce her- she was more like a slave of pirates. Someone on Twitter commented on this, quite eloquently:

"So, not a pirate: abducted by pirates as a teenager, raped, imprisoned and forced to marry the pirate captain. No wonder she went into seclusion." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.18.80.79 (talk) 23:47, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed this issue, too, and have reworded the lede to say "who was forced to become a female pirate". There may be a better way to word it, but I hope that this should provide something of remedy to how the introduction presents Bishop. Panian513 01:28, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article used to be be (pirate), and it was changed to (hermit) to accurately describe her. The introduction is merely a left over from the old page. Wikipedia's policy is be bold, therefore If you see something wrong, do something about it. Gameking69 (talk) 14:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]