Talk:San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest

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Date	Process	Result
February 17, 2021	Good article nominee	Listed
May 4, 2021	Good topic candidate	Promoted

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on March 9, 2021.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that televoting for San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest is simulated by a pre-selected group of countries?

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GA vs FL

A similar article Romania in the Eurovision Song Contest was suggested to be a Featured List instead. I feel that this one has much more prose than that. Looking for feedback before any potential GA review. Grk1011 (talk) 16:09, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Grk1011 You are correct, this should be a GAN because not only does it have clearly enough prose, but it is written in a similar manner to the articles for annual participation in the contest. --K. Peake 19:51, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 18:58, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

I will start reviewing this soon, probably tomorrow --K. Peake 18:58, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Do you have thoughts RE my comment on the article's talk page, above? Grk1011 (talk) 19:10, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

1 in 360 → 1in360 in the infobox
Mention that the participation from 2011 onward was after they did not participate in 2009 and 2010 due to financial difficulties
"for the Eurovision Song Contest grand final" → "for the contest's grand final"
Target 2012, 2013 and 2014 to their respective Eurovision Song Contest articles
"and achieving their best ever result" → "and achieving their best result to date"
"was again selected to represent the nation" → "was again set to represent San Marino"
"and is San Marino's" → "and is the nation's"
Remove target on 2020 for the second mention
"set by the EBU." → "set by the European Broadcasting Union (EBU)." with the wikilink
"vote in the contest" → "vote in the Eurovision Song Contest"

Contest history

"through their national broadcaster SMRTV." → "through Radiotelevisione della Repubblica di San Marino (SMRTV)." with the target, as we already know SMRTV is the broadcaster
"to the OGAE Italy Eurovision fanclub" → "to OGAE Italy"
The voting rights part is not sourced, unless I missed it

Clarified the wording. Grk1011 (talk) 18:14, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Target Italy to Italy in the Eurovision Song Contest
"as "a lot" → "as "[a] lot"
Shouldn't the first img be on the left, as it looks awkward to have two images aligned to the right in the same section?
Target first semi-final to Eurovision Song Contest 2008#Semi-final 1
"Later that year in June," → "In June 2008,"
"in the 2009 contest" → "in the Eurovision Song Contest 2009"
"the broadcaster ultimately opted" → "SMRTV ultimately opted"
"financial reasons preventing" → "financial reasons as preventing"
[13] should be solely at the end of the para, as it is used for the last two sentences
Target Austria to Austria in the Eurovision Song Contest
"and 2013 ("Crisalide (Vola)") failed to qualify San Marino to" → "and 2013 ("Crisalide (Vola)") respectively failed to qualify San Marino for"
Target first semi-final to Eurovision Song Contest 2014#Semi-final 1

I couldn't find this one. Grk1011 (talk) 19:22, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Must have been something that has since been removed from prose after the responses to my spot checks. --K. Peake 20:53, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikilink Malmö on the img text
"giving San Marino their" → "giving them their"
"to represent the nation" → "to represent San Marino"

Selection process

Remove target on 2018 contest
"the SMRTV had selected" → "SMRTV had selected"
Remove target on 2020 contest
Remove target on year's contest

Voting

"{escyr|2009||2009 contest}} through the" → "2009 contest through to the"
Remove target on 2015 contest
Remove target on 2016 contest
The composite score being an alternate option doesn't seem to be directly mentioned, unless I missed something

The Wiwibloggs ref calls it a "composite vote" so I changed the wording to that instead? Grk1011 (talk) 18:14, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I meant that despite being mentioned, it does not seem to be sourced as an alternative specifically? --K. Peake 20:53, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Added an additional ref. Grk1011 (talk) 21:06, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Remove target on 2017 contest
Remove target on 2019 contest

Contestants

The languages are not sourced

Added refs for each one, but hopefully eventually I'll be able to find a summary ref.. Grk1011 (talk) 19:22, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe change the empty rows to pending?

Related involvement

Heads of delegation

Img looks good!
See MOS:TABLECAPTION

Jury members

See MOS:TABLECAPTION

Commentators and spokespersons

"their respective spokesperson" → "each respective spokesperson"
See MOS:TABLECAPTION

Gallery

Neat addition with this section!

Notes

Good

References

Copyvio score looks decent at 29.6%
You need to add an archive for ref 8, as that is dead
Ref 9 should say 2008 in the title, not 2018
Ref 14 should cite an archive of San Marino's URL, not the Poland one
Add the language parameter for ref 26
WP:OVERLINK of European Broadcasting Union on ref 30 and add (EBU) in brackets for consistency–
Cite ESCToday as publisher instead for ref 37

External links

Remove this redundant sub-section

This is for the Junior contest. Would there be a more fitting location to bring attention to this or do you believe it is not needed at all? Grk1011 (talk) 18:14, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are no links included here, but you should keep the templates below the reflist when the section has been removed... --K. Peake 20:53, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh! I was looking at the see also section. Fixed. Grk1011 (talk) 21:06, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Final comments and verdict

On hold until all of the issues are fixed, but good luck on getting the main article about the country's participation in the Eurovision Song Contest to GA status! --K. Peake 11:49, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Should be all set. A couple comments/explanations above. Grk1011 (talk) 19:22, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Grk1011 Thank you for the quick response; I have left some replies above! --K. Peake 20:53, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Those two items have been addressed! Grk1011 (talk) 21:06, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Grk1011 ✓ Pass now, very good to have one of your articles become a GA the same day as the review again! --K. Peake 21:13, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:48, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the televoting for San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest is simulated by a pre-selected group of countries? Source: [1] [2]
- ALT1:... that to this point, the best result of San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest is 19th place in the final? Source: [3]

Improved to Good Article status by Grk1011 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:17, 22 February 2021 (UTC).[reply]

@Grk1011: New enough GA. Need a QPQ. No textual issues. ALT0 is OK and checks out to sources and interesting; ALT1 needs an inline citation somewhere where "19th place" is said. Ping me when a QPQ is supplied and ALT1 has had a citation for 19th inserted into the text body. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 23:12, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As nominator, I would prefer ALT0. Will do the QPQs within the next few days. Grk1011 (talk) 00:36, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sammi Brie: I've reviewed Bang (Rita Ora and Imanbek EP) for QPQ. Grk1011 (talk) 16:32, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Approved. Definitely prefer ALT0. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:20, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]