Talk:Samuel Curtis Johnson Graduate School of Management/Archives/2012
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Work
This page needs a lot of work. The list of alumni do not reflect notable MPA and Sloan graduates. Undergraduate Cornell programs include the Hotel School, Operations Research in the Engineering College, Economics in the Arts College, and Agricultural Economics (now Dyson program) in the Agricuture College. So it is misleading to single out just one program. PhD candidates enroll in the Graduate School, not in the business school. It would also help if proposed article moves are discussed on the talk page instead of implemented unilaterally. Racepacket (talk) 07:12, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- Glad to have help. No POV tag necessary on alumni -- we're quick to respond here, and there's no POV... just appears you have ideas to expand the section. But let's discuss your ideas: Johnson no longer has MPA students and Sloan students are in Human Ecology, so any pre-1983 graduates should probably be discussed in articles for the programs in which they currently reside.
- Regarding the Ph.D. program, it is clearly run by Johnson (see official website), whether or not they are processed through an administrative Grad School or not. —Eustress talk 12:35, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- You are mistaken. 1) The Johnson School is no different than the departments in the Arts College or the Engineering School. PhD students enroll in the Graduate School and pick a "field," which roughly correspond to the various academic departments (e.g., Chemistry, Management, Mechanical Engineering.) http://www.gradschool.cornell.edu/fields.php?id=91 The Johnson School is not acredited to grant PhD degrees. 2) I still think that the article is POV because its history and alumni list give short-shrift to the Public Administration and Health Care Administration aspect of the school. For most of the school existence, these were perhaps its most distinguished programs. The idea of reassigning notable alumni from the school where they graduated to a different school based on subsequent reorganizations is troubling. I think we should just have the list of notable alumni in the main Cornell Univrersity article and the List of Cornell University people. In some cases, there is no modern equivalent to the program which granted a particular degree and in other cases we may not know the school. Does it matter that Ed Marinaro was a Hotel School graduate when he is notable as a football player and actor and never entered the hotel industry? Does it matter that Keith Olbermann went to the Ag School and is therefore presumptively less credible than Ann Coulter? Breaking down notable alumni based on the current administrative location of their degree program is POV and SYN. How are you going to handle notable alumni like Duffield who attended two different Cornell programs and received two different degrees? Racepacket (talk) 15:07, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- The stuff you're suggesting is a fundamental departure from precedent (see Featured Article Tuck School of Business). You need to work this out at WP:UNI. Also, please stop tag bombing articles. —Eustress talk 19:50, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- The issue of one central alumni list vs separate alumni lists for each college is really a question for WikiProject Cornell. What about the PhD question? Racepacket (talk) 20:12, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- The stuff you're suggesting is a fundamental departure from precedent (see Featured Article Tuck School of Business). You need to work this out at WP:UNI. Also, please stop tag bombing articles. —Eustress talk 19:50, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- You are mistaken. 1) The Johnson School is no different than the departments in the Arts College or the Engineering School. PhD students enroll in the Graduate School and pick a "field," which roughly correspond to the various academic departments (e.g., Chemistry, Management, Mechanical Engineering.) http://www.gradschool.cornell.edu/fields.php?id=91 The Johnson School is not acredited to grant PhD degrees. 2) I still think that the article is POV because its history and alumni list give short-shrift to the Public Administration and Health Care Administration aspect of the school. For most of the school existence, these were perhaps its most distinguished programs. The idea of reassigning notable alumni from the school where they graduated to a different school based on subsequent reorganizations is troubling. I think we should just have the list of notable alumni in the main Cornell Univrersity article and the List of Cornell University people. In some cases, there is no modern equivalent to the program which granted a particular degree and in other cases we may not know the school. Does it matter that Ed Marinaro was a Hotel School graduate when he is notable as a football player and actor and never entered the hotel industry? Does it matter that Keith Olbermann went to the Ag School and is therefore presumptively less credible than Ann Coulter? Breaking down notable alumni based on the current administrative location of their degree program is POV and SYN. How are you going to handle notable alumni like Duffield who attended two different Cornell programs and received two different degrees? Racepacket (talk) 15:07, 19 December 2010 (UTC)