Talk:Salvatore Maranzano

Discrepancy

There is discrepancy in these two wikipedia pages, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvatore_Maranzano http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castellammarese_War

The first page says that the killings of 40 mobsters is a myth, while the other page states it as fact. After consulting on IRC, both pages are requested to give sources for the fact. ~Ninjakttty

I'm redacting the mention in both pages, as it's not verified to be either true or false and it makes Wikipedia bad to both state both true *and* false. Dweekly 17:40, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Castellammarese war

A new history of the Castellammare War, revealing the identity of the mysterious "Buster of Chicago," Sebastiano Domingo, and giving many other hitherto unknown facts, can be found in this scholarly article:

David Critchley, "Buster, Maranzano and the Castellammare War, 1930-1931" Global Crime journal, volume 7 number 1 (2006) pages 43 to 78.

Complete sources are given in the article.

~ Joe Bonnano shoots holes in the theory that buster is Sebastino Domingo and most organized crime historians have come to the conclusion that Valachi simply used "Buster from Chicago" as a replacement for himself in certain spots during the war. This most likely due to the fact that there was no statute of limitationson murders like those of Joe Catania.

Maranzano was born July 1886 in Castellammare del Golfo, and left Sicily in about 1925. He initially entered American through Canada, and became involved in bootlegging in Dutchess County, upstate New York until about 1929. Thereafter, his base of operations was Brooklyn. His wife and family journeyed to New York in October 1923, staying with a relative in Brooklyn. But by 1930, they were living in Montreal, Canada, possibly to avoid the fallout from the Castellammare War. There is no evidence that he was "sent" to America by Vito CascioFerro, or anyone else in the Sicilian Mafia. Nor that he ran a vast alien smuggling racket, as is often claimed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ukthesis (talk • contribs)

~ If you go through the New York Times's online archive and I believe you can search Time Magazines online database you will find that Maranzano was primarily known as the man behind a smuggling ring. Articles written about his suspicion and the fact that he was expected to be picked up on that charge are in the NY Time dated September 11th 1931 and the 16th of that same month... It features prominently in those articles

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:25, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

This is not an image of Salvatore Maranzano

The photo used for the article is of Salvatore Messina, a Maltese/Egyptian gangster of Sicilian descent who, along with his brothers, ran a large prostitution ring in London in the mid-20th century. Salvatore Maranzano had thin hair and was much more heavyset than Messina. There are several death scene photos of him that can be found on the Internet.

RickM7x (talk) 05:32, 20 September 2008 (Rick M)

The photo of Salvatore Messina that had been erroneously identified as Salvatore Maranzano on this page before being removed has been placed back onto the page. Since the magazine article cited as a source as to why the photo is not Maranzano is behind a paywall, I thought I should summarize what it says about the origins of the photograph. The article is dated after the above comment was posted to this talk page, so there must be other sources about the origin of the photograph out there.

The article "Maranzano Muddle" says the photo comes from the August 13, 1967 edition of the London Sunday Times, used in conjunction with an article under the headline "Messinas and Mayfair: the Links Remain" and was identified as Salvatore Messina. The magazine article's author says that he confirmed the newspaper's photo was of Messina by looking at a photo of Messina from a Scotland Yard history called: The History of Clubs & Vice. In an important caveat, I should point out that the photo he used to confirm it was Messina is not actually included in the magazine article. Since the photograph first appears in 1967 (and we have no information about it before then), there exists the possibility that it may still be under copyright. Libertybison (talk) 21:07, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Photo is not of Maranzano

Since the photo used is not of Maranzano the claim that he resembles actor Greg Kinnear is ludicrous.

RickM7x (talk) 12:53, 22 September 2008 (Rick M)

The claim that he was sent by Vito Cascio Ferro is incorrect

There is no evidence for such a claim. Evidence from informants show that he was a leading Mafia boss in Italy before he came to America.

RickM7x (talk) 12:53, 22 September 2008 (Rick M)

The claim that he was the first and only Boss of Bosses is erroneous

Previous Boss of Bosses include Giuseppe Morello, Salvatore D'Aquila and Joseph Masseria. He was in fact the last one, since the position was abolished after his death.

RickM7x (talk) 12:53, 22 September 2008 (Rick M)

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Photos

Prompted discussion here after message from User:Lenin and McCarthy on my talk page. I've updated the page with what I think to be appropriate - I think we can still use the image that was longstanding believed to be Maranzano, but move to a dedicated section discussing the research. Courtesy ping @Libertybison: who has commented about this previously. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 17:57, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

FYI, The photo is set to be deleted after deletion for valid reason by User:JJMC89. JJMC89, even though the photo is not believed to be of Maranzano, it was once a longstanding belief that it was him, so would there be any grounds to keep it with possibly a different fair-use rationale? Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 15:26, 8 November 2019 (UTC)