Talk:SS Normandie

Normandie, or the Normandie?

Was there a particular reason why the definite article before the ship's name is omitted throughout the article? It is customary to refer to ships as the Titanic, the Queen Mary, the Santa Maria, and so on. That is also how she's referred to in the online sources, for example the Antiques Roadshow article The Normandie: A Legend Undiminished. Unless I hear to the contrary, I propose to add them one of these days. Awien (talk) 02:20, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

I refer you to the article:

In France, ship prefixes properly depend on the ship name's gender, but non-sailors mostly use the masculine form,[18] inherited from the French terms for ship, which can be "paquebot", "navire", "bateau", "bâtiment", but English speakers refer to ships as feminine ("she's a beauty"), and the French Line carried many rich American customers. French Line wrote that their ship was to be called simply "Normandie," preceded by neither "le" nor "la" (French masculine/feminine for "the") to avoid any confusion.

101.164.231.185 (talk) 12:43, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I'll buy that the company said so. But just for the record, Grevisse (Le bon usage, p. 770, para. 465) blames a couple of government ministers for trying to impose "le genre que ces noms ont dans leur emploi ordinaire" on ship names, but notes that the masculine has come to prevail, "des mots comme navire, bateau etc. imposent leur genre", which they call logical and clearly approve of. They compare the usage to un havane, un terre-neuve, du champagne, etc., and add that as far as aircraft are concerned "aucun ministre ne s'est ému, et tout le monde dit et écrit, par ex., le Concorde". If Grevisse isn't behind conserving the regular gender of the word, "properly" is too strong a term to use for the practice.

I also note that the French WP article refers throughout to le Normandie, as it does to le France, le Queen Mary, etc.

And thirdly, the English definite article shows no gender, so saying / writing "the Normandie" causes no confusion.

However . . . Awien (talk) 16:35, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Your analysis is fair and likely. I vote to keep the article's current naming convention in hommage of the original Transat decision. The italic typeface helps to delimit. 101.164.231.185 (talk) 12:39, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Normandie Memorabilia

I have some memorabilia which has been in my family for many years as my grandfather was a ticket agent for Cunard in New York City in the early 1900's and sailed frequently on the Normandie. 1. A 1935 commemorative bronze medallion 2. An ashtray 3. A sliding guidebook/cabin locator Are these items things you might wish to have pictured on the site? I'm not at all certain how one contacts the primary owner of the site.

Ed_in_NY 20:32, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

The Normandie depicted on a token

Greetings Ed_in_NY, it sounds like you have some fantastic memorabilia there. Is the medallion the same as... (image on the right)?

Apparently that medallion was a special item made specifically for the vessel's maiden voyage. Anyhow, for any images you would like to share with Wiki, please use WP:UPLOAD to provide it to the site. As to whether it will be used, well it depends on whether such a photo adds to the encyclopedic value of the article. Regards and thank you for offering to contribute! SynergyStar (talk) 04:12, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Call Sign

The correct call sign is FNSK. The F was misread as P from the cited source. 84.148.1.119 (talk) 22:59, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Apparent subsidy inconsistency

The article does not seem entirely consistent, saying at various points:

• she was not a commercial success and relied partly on government subsidy to operate.
• her finances were such that she did not require government subsidies every year.
• Normandie did not require government subsidies in service

Jontel (talk) 18:44, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Ship's beam

The infobox says the ship is 35.9 m in beam, and references a Lloyd's report that no longer exists at the stated URL. I've seen the same figure elsewhere online, but I've also seen 36.4 m. This would be worth clearing up. Normandie was either wider than Queen Mary or it wasn't; it certainly *looks* beamier, but I know that isn't a reliable source. Sacxpert (talk) 05:15, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Angary

The article says the ship was seized under the right of Angary. Is there any information about when, after the war, the required payment was made to the owners? How much was it?

Fustbariclation (talk) 09:54, 10 February 2024 (UTC)