Talk:Rudolf Hess/GA1

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Reviewer: Retrolord (talk · contribs) 05:59, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This one should be interesting, thanks for nominating! ★★Retro Lord ★★ 05:59, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Hess continued to be interested in aviation. He won an air race in 1934, flying a BFW M.35 in a circuit around Zugspitze Mountain and returning to the airfield at Munich with a time of 29 minutes. He placed sixth of 29 participants in a similar race held the next year.[52] With the outbreak of World War II, Hess asked Hitler to be allowed to join the Luftwaffe as a pilot, but Hitler forbade it, and ordered him to stop flying for the duration of the war. Hess convinced him to reduce the ban to one year.[50]" I think this bit doesn't belong where it is, could you find another spot to put it? ★★Retro Lord ★★ 06:29, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think moving it up to the previous section is a good solution, as there's already discussion there about leisure-time activities. -- Dianna (talk) 15:29, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Albrecht Haushofer was arrested and held prisoner for three months.[73] Pintsch spent three years in confinement, after which he was sent to the Russian Front, where he was taken prisoner. He was not repatriated until 1955." This seems to have no relation to the sentences prededing it or the paragraph it is in, what is it there for? ★★Retro Lord ★★ 06:29, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is overly detailed and a bit off-topic, so I have removed it. -- Dianna (talk) 15:29, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I also pointed out some other problems below, mainly to do with criteria 3b, unneccessary detail. Thanks! ★★Retro Lord ★★ 06:29, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review. I think I have dealt with all the items. Thanks! -- Dianna (talk) 15:29, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Minor note - AFAIK Freikorps wasn't exactly a centralized movement, but the wording in "World War I" kinda implies otherwise. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 23:30, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am not understanding your remark; I don't see the Freikorps and WWI connected in any way in the prose. Could you be more specific? -- Dianna (talk) 01:30, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I meant the WWI section here and the sentence "Hess joined the Thule Society, an antisemitic right-wing Völkisch group, and the Freikorps, a volunteer paramilitary organisation." --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 02:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I get what your saying, but how would we change the sentence? ★★Retro Lord ★★ 02:37, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I dunno. I figured Dianna would know a good rewording for the sources, but I'm taking a crack at it anyway. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 03:02, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The way you tweeked the prose I now understand what you meant. There were multiple Freicorps; it was a generic term. I have amended the prose to try to make it clearer. See what you think. -- Dianna (talk) 04:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with that. ★★Retro Lord ★★ 04:29, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article looks set to pass. Assuming nothing else pops out i'll pass it later today. Thanks! ★★Retro Lord ★★ 04:40, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	"Severe financial reparations required by the Treaty of Versailles and the loss of industrial areas in Lorraine and Silesia caused ruinous damage to the German economy." Could you please remove this, it is straying too far from the topic. Done "who later worked with aircraft designer Willy Messerschmitt." I think the same reason as above applies here Done "Hess's chief of staff, Martin Bormann, spent much time at the Berghof when Hitler was in residence there, acting as private secretary and building a power base, something that Hess did not do." Again, same as above Done " both had attended a banquet at the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin, but had been seated at different tables" Unfortunately, same as above Done "radio code VJ+OQ" I dont think we need to know the radio code of his plane, could you remove this please? Done "bearing the radio code VJ+OQ" Same as above Done "Death sentences were carried out on ten defendants on 16 October 1946.[111] Bormann, tried in absentia, had received the death sentence; unknown to the court, he had committed suicide in April 1945 when he was unable to escape Berlin at the end of the war. Göring somehow obtained a cyanide capsule and committed suicide the night before he was to be hanged.[112] Three men were acquitted and seven received prison sentences. Hess, Walther Funk, and Erich Raeder received life sentences; Albert Speer and Baldur von Schirach were sentenced to 20 years; Konstantin von Neurath, fifteen years; and Karl Dönitz, ten years.[113] The men were confined at Nuremberg until Spandau Prison was made ready; they were transferred on 18 July 1947" This whole section is unneccessary, the information related to Hess has already been stated previously, and everything else is unrelated to the topic Done "Ilse Hess moved in 1945 to Hindelang. She was arrested by the French in May 1945 but was not charged. Released after two weeks, she was arrested again—this time by the Americans—and was not released until March 1948. Wolf Rüdiger Hess spent this period in the care of his grandmother, but was allowed to stay for an extended visit with his mother in the women's Labour and Internment Camp at Göggingen for Christmas in 1947" Same as above, its unrelated to Hess Done
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	"Hess considered this remarkable feat of navigation to be the proudest moment of his life." Perhaps remove remarkable and feat so it is more neutral? Done
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.	PASS