Talk:Rosario Marin

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Contributions by 69.231.153.59

The majority of the contributions by 69.231.153.59 do not seem to be directly related to Rosario Marin, as it is her friends who have been accused of wrongdoing, not Marin. Perhaps those contributions can go into the article on Huntington Park, California under a section called "Corruption" (or something like that). --Asbl 05:34, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia No More

The article had a small Trivia section. Since it was just various additional honors and not a hodgepodge of uncorrelated factoids, I felt it was worth keeping the section and renaming it "Additional Honors".

-Alan 24.184.184.177 (talk) 14:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First Foreign Born

Technically, the first three US Treasurers were born as British subjects. Of course, the sentiment is understood since they were born on soil that would become the US while Marin was not. Still, to be 100% accurate, this needs to be rephrased.The Original Historygeek (talk) 20:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, no other comments having been made, I will change this part of the article. I'm considering something along the lines of "the first foreign born person to hold this office since the establishment of the nation." Then, perhaps in parantheses, note that the first four were born as British subjects in territory that would later become the United States.The Original Historygeek (talk) 15:11, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Tudor Tucker, the third holder of this office was born in Bermuda. ^[1]173.163.22.233 (talk) 18:59, 7 June 2013 (UTC) Elizabeth Rudel Smith, the 31st person to hold the office was born in Montreal, Canada. ^[2]173.163.22.233 (talk) 19:03, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

Marin's successor

What source is there for Cabral being sworn in on December 13, 2004? On Cabral's page, a claim there is made that she was sworn in privately on December 4, 2004, but again, no source is given. The only sources that I can find come from the Treasury Dept. itself and both indicate a beginning date for her of January 19, 2005 (and a very public ceremony).The Original Historygeek (talk) 16:24, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

General overhaul

I'm currently addressing several issues with this article- most are stylistic changes, rearranging sections, etc. But there are more serious concerns that I will address here first for other input or before changing. First up, the statement: "In 2005, as a consultant to Washington DC Republican lobbying firm DCI, Marin participated in a secret grass roots effort to stop regulation of mortgage giant Freddie Mac." Aside from being orphaned in a section dealing with her involvement in local politics, the statement is problematic. The reference provided can be found mirrored at the San Francisco Chronicle. She is mentioned no where in the article. While a source can probably be located to place her at that firm, perhaps even at that time, the statement itself is unequivocally definitive: "Marin participated." A source must be found to back that statement; otherwise it should be changed to "Marin's firm..." etc. (with an accompanying source to place Marin at that firm at that time). It also needs to be moved to a different section, or a general "scandal" section created (provided the information regarding other scandals holds up).The Original Historygeek (talk) 06:52, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A second major concern is the section regarding involvement in local politics and accompanying scandal subsection. The La Opinion source is a dead link (I am currently looking for a new one). The other source for this section is the web site WatchOurCity- reading the article there reveals little to no sourcing for the various claims made and a great deal of conjecture. I doubt this source will hold up to Wikipedia:BLP and will need to be reworked or dropped altogether if reliable sources cannot be found.The Original Historygeek (talk) 07:08, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I believe I have addressed the problems- I rearranged the article to make it more chronological and, generally, bring it in line with the standard bio format. More biographical information was added. The section concerning her involvement in local politics has been removed- I searched extensively on Yahoo and Google and as much as I could through LAT and other papers archives and could find not legitimate, verifiable sources that would withstand challenge or meet the standards set in Wikipedia:BLP. I found the story on numerous sites, but without exception all were sourced by either the same website, Watchourcity, or by Wikipedia itself. On the other hand, the two other scandals in which she was involved have been greatly expanded as there were plenty of sources for those. Overall, a great many new citations were added.The Original Historygeek (talk) 16:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Use of state attorney's in ethics case

ElvisWasMyDaddy (talk) (cool user name, by the way)- the statement that you keep putting into the Rosario Marin article about her alleged use of state attorneys is very interesting and would certainly add to that particular section, but it needs a source. How do you know that this is the case and, more important, how do all other Wikipedia users know it- how is it verifiable? The Original Historygeek (talk) 22:13, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi HistoryGeek: Attorneys represent their clients; the state hires attorneys to represent the state. State lawyers represent officials in thier official capacity only -- they don't represent officals in their individual capacity, nor do they provide advice regarding private business ventures. Marin's state attorneys represented the agency she worked for -- they didn't represent Marin the businesswoman who was paid for making speeches through her private corporation. The fact that a state attorney's review of an official's conflict of interest filings does not equate to "approval" of the information in the filing was confirmed, in writing, by the Governor's Legal Affairs Secretary. Unfortunately, the CFPPC didn't speak to Marin's state attorneys, otherwise, the outcome would have been very different. The fact is, Marin chose to have a side business making speeches and she has no one to blame for her ethics violations but herself. ElvisWasMyDaddy (talk) 05:06, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You may be right and I do not dispute your explanation of the state attorney's job- it makes perfectly good sense to me- and I absolutely do not dispute Marin's culpability. Nevertheless, that is all irrelevant to the problem at hand- namely, inserting a statement/assertion of what Marin did or did not say/reveal to the Commission without a source. Without a verifiable source, it's hearsay, potentially defamatory and, therefore, prohibited by Wikipedia policy. Now, if a reliable source could be found, such as a newspaper article or the CFPPC's investigation, that can be linked to then the problem is resolved. See Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons for full details. The Original Historygeek (talk) 05:47, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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