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This page lacks of reliable informations

The page sounds like a typical Afrocentrist article, trying to support the thesis that there is a relationship between ancient Rome and Subsahara Africa . For example , the geographical references in the script by Plinius are too vague , to write as a proven fact that Cornelius Balbus arrived near the Niger. The identification of the Dasibari with the Niger lacks of any scientific and historic evidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Full Italian Guy (talk • contribs) 04:57, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I have partially used data from simple Wikipedia. Of course are needed improvements.--HDusty17 (talk) 21:35, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As stated before, some excerpts are from simple wiki. Today I have added references and a quotation from Cambridge university's History of Africa. Hope all it is OK now.--HDusty17 (talk) 13:39, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No reference

Hello, no sources affirm that Roman coins or ceramics were found in Mali. There is confusion, the source states that coins were found in the Algerian desert (which was populated by the Garamantes, a Berber people, who had contact with the Romans in the north), at more than 200 kilometers from the Algerian border with Mali.

See: https://books.google.com/books?id=3rqACwAAQBAJ&lpg=PT149&dq=mali%20roman%20coin&hl=en&pg=PT149#v=onepage&q&f=false

The source states that these Roman coins and ceramics were found in Algeria. I delete the passage of the article claiming that these objects were found in Mali. I also deleted this : "Finally, there was a cache of Roman coins found recently at Timissao". Because Timissao is in Algeria (part of north african), not in sub-saharan africa.

See : https://geomondiale.fr/noms_geographiques/name.php?uni=-699301&fid=244&c=algeria

Fezzan is not part of sub-saharian africa too. The article contains several expeditions that took place in the North African desert

The Garamantes were a Berber tribe located in ancient southwestern Libya. Germa is located in Libya, and at no time has it been wrote that Rome has done expeditions to sub-Saharan Africa to secure some sort of trade route. There was a Roman expedition in the Sahara, but at Germa, which is a Libyan city located in North Africa, not sub-Saharan Africa.

Good night. Marcel Baron (talk) 03:10, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Romans in Sub-Saharan Africa"?

The meaning of the title is stretched beyond the limit by including the Nile valley and coastal exploration of East Africa. If one takes the title literally, there was only one Roman who really managed it, Julius Maternus (cf. Agisymba), so it would have to be "A Roman in Sub-Saharan Africa". Or, better maybe, "Ancient exploration of Africa"? Andrew Dalby 08:36, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also Flaccus reached lake Chad and Festus could have gone to the Niger delta! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.139.225.232 (talk) 21:19, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ship from Gades

The story is described differently in the article Eudoxus of Cyzicus. The original sources are Strabo (quoted there) and Pliny. Revery (talk) 13:05, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recent changes

Fellow editor 48f has recently made a number of edits that include original research and possible synthesis of the one source they cite. Both are unacceptable according to Wikipedia's guidelines. In addition, they keep trying to remove a maintenance template without addressing the issue it raises. Instead, they are loading more original research onto the article.

The only cited source they added is a questionable one from a numismatic journal from 1893. I say "questionable" because they appear to not give the correct name of the journal, instead rendering it in an unlikely jumble of Italian and English. The citation appears to reference the Rivista italiana di numismatica e scienze affini, which has a Volume 6 in 1893 as per the citation by 48f (it can be found on Internet Archive). The page cited does not confirm their claim, however. It also seems unlikely that their cited quotation, which is in French, would be published in an Italian journal.

48f's edits would be useful if they could provide citations to reliable sources. ~~Citing from Wikipedia itself, as they did for one of their claims, is unacceptable according to WP:UGC.~~

I also remind 48f that because uncited material and original research has not been scrutinized at other Wikipedias does not mean it is acceptable at the English Wikipedia. Furthermore, name-calling, such as occurred here, is not helpful to achieve the common goal of writing a better article. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 16:11, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]