Talk:Catholic Church in China

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Should this article not be named "Roman Catholic Church in China to conform with the pattern for other countries?--BrentS 03:19, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Possibly not, due to Catholicism's history in post-1949 China. ~ Dpr 03:54, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

• definitely not. SchmuckyTheCat 14:18, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Catholicism in mainland China after 1949 is not developed under the Roman Catholic Church. — Instantnood 08:18, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Christianity

Only protestants use the term Christianity. There's the Catholic church and protestantism, as the Chinese use it so it is outside China. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.125.97.214 (talk) 15:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

This is not true, hence the use of the word "catholic" in creeds spoken by both Catholics and protestant religious groups. The word "catholic" itself refers to the "universal" church, with the capital-C "Catholic" church referring to most often the Roman Catholic Church. Groups such as the Lutherans would still be considered a part of the catholic group, while groups like the Jehovah's witnesses would not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.118.185.146 (talk) 23:22, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

The Catholic Church we believe is the Church founded by Christ, which has its actual form of existence in the Worldwide Church under the Pope's jurisdiction... Now that was an attempt to paraphrase Lumen gentium, but German Protestants feel it with all their heart and bones (though in theorizing they adopted the line of argumentation you just reported), which has led even a Dr Martin Luther OSA who was "more catholic" (if this be in any way apt to comparatives) than all his mainline followers of today put together, to exclude the word "Catholic" from the creed and replace it by "Christian". Needless to say that this remains the "Apostles'" Creed as used by Protestants, and in practically all German ecumenical celebrations there remains a moment to show where one's loyalities are. --131.159.0.7 (talk) 12:48, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

missing period

The article is completely missing the history from 1911 to 1939. This was the period in which the first native Chinese Catholic bishops were appointed ("after 1926") according to my source, so clearly something of note was going on... GRBerry 01:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

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China's Saints: Catholic Martyrdom During the Qing (1644-1911)  By Anthony E. Clark

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Catholic-Protestant fighting in China

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This primary source document combines unusual respect for the Boxer's goals of anti-foreignism albeit with misguided means along with defence of their victims as martyrs.

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Rajmaan (talk) 13:23, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

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Move to Catholicism in China

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The result of the move request was: Not Moved (non-admin closure) Mdann52 (talk) 13:25, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

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Roman Catholicism in China → Catholicism in China – The name "Catholicism in China" is simpler and more accurate. the article is about Catholicism, not the Roman Rite of it. μηδείς (talk) 22:10, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

• My concern with this is that it's part of a series on Roman Catholicism in Asia; see the navbox at the bottom. So it may be more appropriate to discuss moving them as a batch. If that seems inappropriate because some of the articles discuss catholicism in general, that may be an argument for not changing names that would imply changes in scope. --BDD (talk) 16:13, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. Avoid the small/capital c catholic issues by doing what most do, sticking Roman on the front. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:15, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

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Catholocism in Tibet

Catholic priests and early Tibetology studies. Catholic Priests were the first westerners to undertake tibetology stufies, directly visit Tibet and to learn the Tibetan language.

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Catholic priests and Sándor Kőrösi Csoma

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Rajmaan (talk) 04:58, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Translation of Chinese text

The currently article has this text, which given that this is the English language Wikipedia isn't very helpful:

Due to the Chinese rites controversy, the Kangxi Emperor banned Christianity in China saying: “只說得西洋人等小人，如何言得中國人之大理？況西洋人等，無一人通漢書者，說言議論，令人可笑者多。今見來臣告示，竟與和尚道士異端小教相同。彼此亂言者，莫過如此。以後不必西洋人在中國行教，禁止可也，免得多事。”

Could someone who understands translate? Thanks WA Burdett (talk) 07:16, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 2 October 2016

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The result of the move request was: Procedural close per WP:MULTI. Follow-up instead at Talk:Roman Catholicism in Armenia#Requested move 2 October 2016. (non-admin closure) — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 00:43, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

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Roman Catholicism in China → Catholic Church in China – In consistancy with other equivalent articles, including Catholic Church, Catholic Church in England and Wales, Catholic Church in the United States, etc. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:52, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

• Keep Why should this be different from the 163 other articles in the Category:Roman Catholic Church by country? Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:10, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

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This article needs improved quality to make ITN

This article is currently receiving lots of support on grounds of notability to be included as an In the News item on our main page, but it still requires a lot of work to bring it up to the necessary quality.Tlhslobus (talk) 02:38, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

{{ITN nom}} -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:45, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Incidentally, China–Holy See relations covers quite a lot of the same ground, and may well prove a useful source of new references.Tlhslobus (talk) 04:00, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

French in 19th century

Article currently states that the French government had taken control of the Catholic Church in China in the 19th century. How could this be when 19th century France was mostly a secular republic? The alliance (talk) 23:28, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

It's true. This article explains that it was largely a combination of colonial legacy and European-Vatican politics: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2192926?seq=2 169.235.64.142 (talk) 04:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

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Merger proposal

I suggest we merge Apostolic Prefecture of Kwang-si into this page. The Apostolic Prefecture of Kwang-Si was one of many ways the Catholic Church was organized in that area of China at various times (list available here); the only reason it gets its own article is that it happened to be the current one in 1913 when the Catholic Encyclopedia was published. Moriwen (talk) 00:58, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Oppose - Kwang-si was one of multiple Apostolic Prefectures in China throughout its existence and only covered a part of China. The article should be updated with citations, but the prefecture is notable in and of itself. Referencer12 (talk) 21:12, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Closing, given the uncontested objection and no support, with stale discussion. Klbrain (talk) 17:08, 18 August 2023 (UTC)