Talk:Roman Catholic Diocese of Kilmore

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Proposed merger with Bishop of Kilmore

A merger with 'Bishop of Kilmore' would only be appropriate in the context of a comprehensive listing of all bishops of Kilmore from the origins to the present day. Such a listing would probably contain 4 sections (although other periodisations could be envisaged for the earlier times; 3 could be subdivided in the 1830s), i.e:

                            1Celtic bishops
                            2Later medieval bishops
                            3Anglican bishops since the Reformation
                            4Catholic bishops since the Reformation
                 ----Clive Sweeting  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clive sweeting (talk • contribs) 13:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

N. B. A similar merger of 'Archbishops of Tuam'with 'Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Tuam' has involved the suppression of a nearly complete list of Protestant Archbishops from the sixteenth to the nineteenth centuries and the confusion of the two cathedrals in that city----Clive Sweeting

Actually, that list of Anglican archbishops of Tuam found its way to Church of Ireland Diocese of Tuam, Killala and Achonry, from where I later moved it to Archdiocese of Tuam (Church of Ireland). And I think my article on St Mary's Cathedral, Tuam, interlinked to Tuam Cathedral, has cleared up the confusion about the cathedrals, which was found mostly in the links to Tuam Cathedral. Strawless ^(talk) 23:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it is worth noting that the authoritative Dictionnaire d'Histoire et de Géographie Ecclésiastiques, edited by Canon R.Aubert of Louvain, which had broken with its original practice of only supplying lists of Catholic bishops, so that from Down and Connor, Elphin onwards lists of Anglican ordinaries were also supplied, has now reverted to its pre-ecumenical practice, so that for Kilmore-volume XXIX,fasciscule 168-169a-(and the several other dioceses with the same prefix) only Catholic lists appear----Clive Sweeting

This page is about the Church of Ireland bishops, and not the Roman Catholic ones. It seems to me that you could only argue for merging such lists of Bishops (and articles on dioceses?) when the dioceses had the same names and covered the same areas, which in Ireland they no longer do. If you merged some and were unable to merge others, it would be inconsistent and confusing. Better, in my view, to go on dealing with them separately. But perhaps we could move this page to Bishops of Kilmore (Church of Ireland), to avoid any possible confusion? Strawless ^(talk) 15:48, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It might be a better idea to move this page to Bishop of Kilmore, Elphin and Ardagh which goes along with Diocese of Kilmore, Elphin and Ardagh. There's no need with (Church of Ireland) in the article name. For examples of that: Bishop of Down and Dromore or Bishop of Limerick and Killaloe.
The title of "Bishop of Kilmore" is presently used by the Roman Catholic bishop. Since the list of RC bps is included the Roman Catholic Diocese of Kilmore, this page could be used as dismbig page linking to either denomination. For example: the Archbishop of Dublin page behaves as a dismbig page. Scrivener-uki (talk) 22:39, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One name (Arthur William Barton) has got into that Bishop of Kilmore page which belongs to the Kilmore, Elphin and Ardagh period, after 1841, but where C.o.I. dioceses unite, it seems to me that it helps to avoid real confusion to keep separate pages for the individual dioceses before they were united. That's why I suggested Bishops of Kilmore (Church of Ireland). Actually, where we have only start-pages, I wonder whether we need separate pages for a diocese and its bishops? Do you think everything about the pre-1841 C.o.I. diocese of Kilmore, including its bishops, should go into Diocese of Kilmore (Church of Ireland), or Church of Ireland diocese of Kilmore? Anyway, this is the approach I am trying to take with Diocese of Elphin (Church of Ireland). Any separate page for the bishops would make sense, when space called for it, as List of bishops of... Strawless ^(talk) 22:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]