Talk:Rodrigo de Triana

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The "diary" of Luis de Torres

I deleted all references to and quotations from this "diary". There's no such thing; a look on Google Book Search seems to indicate it first popped up around 1950 in bargain bin quality Jewish history books. Not one Columbus book I have mentions it, and they would for something like that if it existed. The only kind of diary known from Columbus's first voyage is Columbus's own logbook, as transcribed by Las Casas. 69.227.126.47 16:02, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Dubious"

Not only is that unsourced (Beyond "This dude said it"), but the articel on said "historian" is swiped from the EB (11th ed.), which claims that said history "contains almost as many lies as pages". Lacking a better citation, I'm tagging that as dubious at best. 68.39.174.238 18:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's not dubious that Oviedo said this, but I agree that Oviedo clearly had scores to settle, and is not generally considered a good historian. His book was influential enough that it is worth recording what he said, but it should always be made clear that he his not considered an accurate historian.

"Crow's nest"?

I don't see any indication in the provided quote that de Triana was in the "crow's nest." As far as I can discover, the modern crow's nest (presumably including the name) was not invented until ~~1870~~ the late 1700s or early 1800s, by Arctic explorer Captain William Scoresby (Sr.). Obviously sailors have made observations from mastheads as long as there have been masts, but that means something quite different. Any thoughts? Trevor Hanson 17:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting point. My Renaissance Spanish isn't the best, but it sounds like the quote from the citation given says Rodrigo was on the poop deck when he spotted land. I'm removing the fact from here and the crow's nest article. -Verdatum (talk) 23:11, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1492

The date of de Triana's death is given at the end of the article as 1492. I am not sure that this is right. Triana would have had to do a lot in a short space of time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.202.155 (talk) 13:30, 1 October 2008 (UTC) Columbus's first voyage returned to Portugal on 4/3/1493. This gives Triana no time to get to Morocco and die in 1492. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.202.155 (talk) 13:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Marrano and hidalgo? Impossible

That's a contradiction. None could be hidalgo if he was marrano. Rather, it seems that his father was morisco (descended from Muslim converts to christianity); some noble Muslims, after the conquest, were allowed into Spanish nobility after their conversion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.27.232.100 (talk) 16:43, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

German Wikipedia

The German article says that Columbus employed Jews to save them from the Inquisition. Actually, most of the crew returned to Spain and they had no intention of staying in the New World.

The Italian version has a different version.

The total number of crew is said to be 90 or 120.

The Czech version differs as to possibilities.