Talk:Rodolfo Pallucchini

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The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by AirshipJungleman29 talk 19:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Italian art historian Rodolfo Pallucchini was made the director of the Institute of Art History of the Giorgio Cini Foundation of Venice in 1972? Source: https://www.britannica.com/contributor/Rodolfo-Pallucchini/2235
ALT1 ... that the theory put forth by Italian art historian Pallucchini that Venetian painter Giambattista Pittoni studied under Veronese painter Antonio Balestra is widely discredited?
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Created by Brudelman (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Brudelman (talk) 05:22, 9 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Note: the nominator is currently blocked from new mainspace or category creations over concerns regarding competency; however, as they are not fully blocked I am not sure if this will affect the nomination or not. This is just something to keep in mind. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wasn't blocked at the time, and can still edit the page, so should be fine. I'm a bit irked by the fact that none of the accessdates are recent, which implies that they've been copied from somewhere.--Laun chba ller 09:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: Looking at their talk page, it appears they have already received a warning for copyright violations. For what it's worth, while Earwigs gave a largely okay score, there are at least two sentences that are very close matches with another source, but I don't know if they're acceptable given they're relatively minor, or this still counts as a copyvio or close paraphrasing. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that's severe enough to warrant quick-failing/WP:G12ing, but something must be done about it. Pinging Brudelman for immediate attention.--Laun chba ller 10:24, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I merely copied and pasted the text for the Rodolfo Pallucchini article from its Italian language counterpart, its original sole article. Also, @Narutolovehinata5 I'm curious, what are access dates? Why are you irked that they aren't recent? Thanks.Brudelman (talk) 12:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Access dates are the date the reference was accessed, web pages sometimes change and they're useful for establishing which version is being cited. My beef is that older references are usually an indicator of "this has existed elsewhere", which could mean this is a split, which could affect eligibility per WP:DYKLEN. Translations are fine though, per WP:DYKNEW.--Laun chba ller 12:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it was based on the Italian article, then the translation must be attributed, either by using {{Translated|it|Rodolfo Pallucchini}} in the talk page, or by explicitly saying so in the edit summary. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This has now been done. Full review needed.--Laun chba ller 02:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Might as well give this a preliminary review while I'm here. I think the main elephant in the room is that the current hook isn't actually all that hooky. It doesn't really make it clear why him being a director is such a big deal, nor would it catch much attention. There are also multiple uncited statements in the article, such as several entries in the Administrative positions section (which might work better in prose rather than as a list). The last sentence of the Career section is unreferenced, and is also missing a space before it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:11, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Brudelman: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 13:34, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Far more trivial articles have been featured in the DYK section, so I suppose it wouldn't hurt to give it some attention to enrichen the article.Brudelman (talk) 18:57, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Other stuff exists, and you should remedy that citation needed tag.--Laun chba ller 20:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added a citation to the line. Does that satisfy you?Brudelman (talk) 21:26, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The other issues remain unaddressed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid I cannot embellish the article with the reason being that I am not familiar the subject person nor his immediate relations seeing as how I do not live anywhere near his region.Brudelman (talk) 20:13, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the issues cannot be addressed then unfortunately the article cannot run on DYK in its current state. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- As the nominator has been blocked, the issues are unlikely to be resolved; I am thus rejecting this nom. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]