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GA Review

Passed. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:26, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Rodolfo Calle/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Krisgabwoosh (talk · contribs) 08:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Thebiguglyalien (talk · contribs) 04:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I'll have a review written for this article before the end of the week. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 04:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Krisgabwoosh, I've completed the review and posted it below. The main thing I'm interested in is whether there's more coverage of his time as a deputy. I know that sometimes it's hard to find sources for individual legislatures, but it would be helpful if there was anything else he did that was reported on. Other than that, it should just be a few minor fixes. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 06:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Thebiguglyalien: Hi! I am abroad in Bolivia right now. My return flight is 30 July. I hope to address this review sometime during the first week of August if you'll allow it. Cheers! Krisgabwoosh (talk) 22:18, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's no problem! Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:17, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Krisgabwoosh, there's no rush, but do you have a general timeframe on this? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:46, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Sorry for the delay. I hope to get this done tomorrow Sunday. When I said "first week of August", I didn't expect it to be the last day of the week. Thank you for your patience. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:39, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Krisgabwoosh I've raised the infobox issue at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations#Citing predecessor/successor in infoboxes because this affects a lot of articles and I think it should be discussed more broadly. For "the now-president", it might work better if you just say "the president". Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All right, I'm not going to hold up the review on the infobox point, especially since it doesn't seem there's a formal agreement on how that's supposed to be handled. Promoting now. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead:

He served as vice president and president – This makes it seem like they were at the same time. Maybe it should be "served as vice president and then president"?

Done Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox:

Most of the information in the infobox is unsourced. Just like with the lead, each claim in the infobox should be sourced somewhere in the body.

I've added citations for the corresponding dates of Calle's term. On predecessors or successors, I find that there tends to be some leeway regarding citations, especially when redistricting and the like mean there's no real interaction between who came before and who came after. (See: John Olver, Richard Neal, Barney Frank, etc.). Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Early life and career:

Calle attended primary and intermediate at the Holland and Félix Reyes Ortiz schools – Saying that he "attended primary and intermediate at" doesn't really make sense. Maybe "completed his primary and intermediate studies at"?

Done Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Calle entered as an assistant at his brother-in-law's handbag factory at age 12 – I'm not sure what "entered as an assistant" means. Is it supposed to be? He began working as an assistant? Or that he entered the leather industry as an assistant?

Changed to "was brought on". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

vice president of the Departmental Federation of Micro and Small Enterprises of La Paz – The article doesn't say anything about how he got this position. Was in an elected office? Did someone appoint him?

I could not find any citations making a definitive claim. Union posts are typically elected but without a corresponding source, I've kept it purposefully vague. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Election:

The first sentence in this section runs on. Instead of putting a sentence inside of another sentence, it should probably be rewritten as two or three separate sentences.

Split into two sentences. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

who had been the second-most voted candidate – I suggest changing this to either "who had been the second-most voted for candidate" or "who had received the second most votes".

Changed to "runner-up". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tenure:

He was in office for five years. Is that draft bill really the only notable thing he did in that time?

From what I've found, yes. Unlike in the US, the activities of Bolivian legislators are not public record, so it's difficult to get a grasp of what bills they put forward or how they even voted unless it's reported on by media outlets. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ramírez – the now-president of CONAMYPE – In this case, does "now-president" mean that Ramírez was its president at the time Calle's term ended, or that he's now president in 2024? Because it sounds like it's talking about 2024.

He still is, I believe, but the intended meaning was that he became president by the time Calle's term ended. I'm unsure how I could reword that. What do you suggest? Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amended based on your suggestion above. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 21:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Electoral history:

This is entirely up to you, but since there's only one row of information here, you could just write the percentage and the number of votes in the election section. But it's also fine as is.

I'm trying to keep a level of stylistic unity between all my legislator articles. The end goal is to nominate them all as a Good topic. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References (checked through machine translation):

Gonzales Salas 2013, p. 151 (both uses) – Good.
Romero Ballivián 2018, pp. 120, 485 – Good.
Fornillo 2008, p. 5 – Good.
Página Siete 2013b (all three uses) – Good. It's arguable that there's some inference going on here, like how presenting the "Ley Micro y Pequeño Empresario" means that Calle's legislative priorities centered on the needs of the micro-enterprise sector. But generally speaking the source does support the claims in the article.

Calle also mentions in the interview that each legislator presents bills relating to the sector they represent: "...cada uno presenta por lo menos unas dos leyes ... Cada uno por su sector". Given that he goes on to mention his work on micro-enterprise bill, I think it's justifiable to say that his priorities lay there. This is backed by the fact that nearly all sources that mention Calle are in relation to that sector. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:53, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

El Deber 2017 – This article doesn't say anything about Calle. How do we know it's a finalized rendition of Calle's bill and not some other bill with a similar goal?

Both articles mention the participation of CONAMYPE and the Ministry of Productive Development in the legislation's development, both bills cover the same policy areas, and they even share nearly identical names ("Ley Micro y Pequeño Empresario" / "Ley de Fomento de la Micro y Pequeña Empresa"). I was purposeful in not saying that Calle's exact bill was later passed, only that a "finalized rendition" (i.e. the result of the same overarching negotiations) was made law. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.