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Internet popularity

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A Nightcore edit of this song has become popular through the game "Osu!", a clip of someone playing that "beatmap" and that clip beeing featured in on the "PewDiePie" YouTube-Channel but I don't know if and how it would be appropiate to add this. Sorry for just pushing this away. --LonleyGhost (talk) 18:11, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

About removing the section "Internet phenomenon"

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@IceWelder has removed the section "Internet phenomenon" completely stating:

Poorly sourced and written sensationally; this is not KnowYourMeme

I have several objection to the removal. First, I did cite sources to every claim. If it said

The first known occurrence of the nightcore version was an osu! map that was published on the 24th of July, 2011.

[1] would be cited. If you see a lack of citation, please add the needed citations. If you see poor citation, please improve on the citation.

Second, if you think it is written sensationally, you can improve on it rather than cutting out an entire section. Third, this is not KnowYourMeme I agree, I did not touch it when writing the section. However Wikipedia does contain and discuss internet culture, which the Nightcore Rockefeller Street remix is part of and thus the information that was cut out is relevant to the article. And lastly, as far as I'm concerned, Wikipedia is a collaborative project, if there is a part that is badly formatted, badly written or badly cited, but still contains relevant information (which in this case, it did), it should be improved on collaboratively.

Also, the section contained some moved information from the original introduction, which has not been moved back, but rather, cut out with the rest.

Radonafoot (talk) Radonafoot (talk) 16:26, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The sensationalism would have been salvageable, sure, but the referencing was not. The source you link here is a random osu! map; nowhere does it say that it was the "first known occurrence of the nightcore version", nor would it be a reliable source for such a claim. Claims need to be verifiable and cannot be based on original research. I did search for sources but found none that could be considered reliable - indicating that the version may not be notable - which left WP:TNT as the better option. When reliable sources are found, the content can always be restored and fixed, but any added material must be verifiable and properly referenced. The reason I stated that "this is not KnowYourMeme" is that the song's entry there (as well as most other entries) follow the same pattern: "The first occurrence of X was Y", using only Y as the source, even though Y does not (and cannot) claim to be the first instance of X. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 17:18, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Passed. Skyshiftertalk 22:43, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Skyshifter (talk · contribs) 00:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


As an osu! player, I can't lose this opportunity. Skyshiftertalk 00:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General comments

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  • Images have a valid fair use rationale
  • No copyvio
  • I'm assuming Estonian sources such as Õhtuleht, Äripäev or Eesti Rahvusringhääling are reliable, as they seem to be big Estonian newspapers or organizations; same for other newspapers such as the German Süddeutsche Zeitung. However, there are sources such as Wiwibloggs (which our article describes as a "fan site") and ESCToday. How reliable are they? I've never edited about Eurovision, so they may be perfectly reliable, but as someone outside the topic, they do look a bit suspicious.
    • When it comes to Eurovision-related articles, the fan sites are usually the ones that report about artists and their songs regularly. Various Eurovision-related articles that have achieved GA (for example, Alcohol You, Ktheju tokës, among others) use Eurovision fansites to source their info. I would say that the mainstream ones are reliable. Outlets such as Wiwibloggs, ESCUnited, and ESCToday fit into that category. There's a lot of fansites that exist; of course, you have to be careful when evaluating if you can use the source or not. But, I would say that sites like Wiwibloggs and ESC Today are reliable under previous examples of Eurovision-related GA articles.Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 05:43, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

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Lead

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  • Described as an "up-tempo dance song" by ESCToday writer Marcus Klier - that's too specific for the lead and it is not mentioned anywhere in the body. You should move it to the first section of the article.
  • and title song - I think this is redundant, as it's pretty clear the song and album are the same name; remove
  • Critical response to the song was initially positive, with it considered to be a favorite to win the contest. However, the Eurovision performance itself mainly received negative reviews, with the performance seen as "cheap". This should be simplified to something like "While the song itself received positive reviews, the Eurovision performance was negatively received", or something like that. Only one source stated that the song was a favorite, and only another one said it was "cheap", which isn't enough to appear in the lead.
  • "Rockefeller Street" drew commercial success both in 2011 and later increased success throughout the late 2010s. Not cited in the article.
  • Merge the last two paragraphs of the lead

Left another comment up there, but the lead seems good so far. I'll hopefully finish this in the next few days. Skyshiftertalk 01:49, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Background and composition

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  • "Rockefeller Street" was both composed and lyrically made by Estonian songwriter Sven Lõhmus. Following what is written in {{Infobox song}} (i.e.), you can just say "Rockefeller Street" was written by Estonian songwriter Sven Lõhmus. Same for the lead, and use "writer=" in the infobox instead of composer= and lyricist=, since they are the same person.
  • Lõhmus had previously written and composed per above, remove "and composed". You can also change "Lõhmus" to "He" to avoid unnecessary repetition
  • In an interview with the Maltese Eurovision fan podcast Eurovision Radio International, she described For a second I thought this was Lõhmus. I think you mean Getter Jaani, but she still wasn't mentioned. Replace "she" with Getter Jaani (linked).
  • In another interview, she said that on the street Too much "she" being used; can replace this one with Jaani. I also feel you're using "street" too much; maybe try "place" or something else.
  • The song was officially announced to compete in Eesti Laul 2011 what is Eesti Laul 2011? Add a small explanation and link Eesti Laul. "The song" can also be replaced with "Rockefeller Street" to avoid repetition.
  • the song was not created as a song made specifically for the Eurovision Song Contest remove the stroked text
  • At the national final, it competed in the second semi-final on 12 February, advancing to the final on 19 February. This should be removed, as it's repeated information from the Eesti Laul 2011 section.

Critical reception

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Again I'm not an expert in Eurovision articles. However, it seems that this section should be moved after the Eurovision Song Contest section, or some of its text should be moved. It is strange to present the reception of the Eurovision performance before content about the performance itself is shown in the article.

Other comments

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Hey, I'm back. I decided to do copyedits to the article that you may revert if you disagree. I believe most prose issues are resolved. However, I'd recommend sending the article to WP:GOCE after this review to guarantee the prose is in good shape, as I am not fluent in English, so it's possible I could've missed something. However, I tried my best to fix the prose issues.

Spot-check

Will pick a few sources randomly. Do note I don't know any Estonian, so for Estonian sources, I'll basically be checking against an automatic translated version.

  • 2: Green tickY
  • 9: Green tickY Checks out with what's currently in prose; maybe the other opinions presented in that article could also be added?
  • 10: Red XN It doesn't say the song is "as good as a song by Lady Gaga or Madonna". It is slightly different, saying: "This song could just as well be by either Lady Gaga or Madonna".
  • 17: Red XN This doesn't confirm... anything. It says the song advanced to the superfinal with Outloudz's "I Wanna Meet Bob Dylan" and ultimately won, but that's it. There's no description of how the performance was, that she "performed a repeat", or the number of votes. (Also, this needs a "url-status=dead").
  • 22: Red XN "The five background dancers and cardboard boxes remained" is not mentioned.
  • 29: Green tickY Quote checks out, but that's not a review, they apparently wrote that right after the performance, as the post was being updated live. Please change the prose accordingly, as it currently says it's a review.
  • 30: Red XN "Nightcore" isn't mentioned specifically (we have words such as "up-tempo"), and while the prose says "especially in Asia", the source only confirms that it has happened in Asia (not other parts of the world), so you should drop "especially".
  • 33: Green tickY
    • Tried to address all concerns to the best of my ability. Let me know if you want things tweaked further. Had to remove some info from the Eesti Laul performance; they just didn't cover that sort of thing back then, I guess. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 18:52, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 On hold Skyshiftertalk 18:37, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, here are a few more spot-checks since quite a few of them failed above. If too many of them fail again, a full spot-check on all sources will probably be needed, which will take more time. Skyshiftertalk 18:50, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • 3 - Green tickY
  • 6 - Green tickY
  • 11 - Green tickY
  • 15 - Green tickY
  • 19 - Green tickY Seems like the source wrongly said the first semi-final was held on the 11th, but apparently, it indeed was on the 10th. Also, while it doesn't confirm that the Eurovision happened at the Düsseldorf Arena, this is easily verifiable information.
  • 28 - Green tickY but edited so it says exactly what the source says ("Hopes were not fulfilled").
  • 29 - Green tickY but not a review, edited to say that.

1, 2, 7, 3, down to ✓ Passing this article. (not cringe at all...) Skyshiftertalk 22:41, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

References

  1. ^ "Rockefeller Street (Nightcore Mix) -Getter Jaani". osu!. osuplayer111 "Andrea".{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
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