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I will have to say, the article is in pretty bad shape as a GA. It would require a GAR I believe seeing the amount of dead links, unformatted links, content not being supported by source, major gaps in development etc. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 13:47, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Power pop?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_pop

Nothing about this song really fits the genre at all — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justdoinsomeedtits (talk • contribs) 06:05, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your personal analysis is not relevant. What do the sources say? VQuakr (talk) 06:42, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The two "sources" are pretty clearly misusing the term; it's not like they're academic sources, it's MTV News and "Gigwise.com". Wouldn't the sources on the actual power pop Wiki article be more relevant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justdoinsomeedtits (talk • contribs) 04:39, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop reverting edits that correct an erroneous genre tag. I'm not sure how you expect anyone to source that something isn't a specific genre, but here are a few pretty good rundowns of what power pop actually is, both of which are more valid, informed sources than a tossed-off comment on "Gigwise.com": http://www.allmusic.com/subgenre/power-pop-ma0000002793

http://www.avclub.com/article/a-beginners-guide-to-the-heyday-of-power-pop-1972--86527

I'd appreciate if you left the changes as is in the absence of a valid source justifying a "power pop" tag — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justdoinsomeedtits (talk • contribs) 03:49, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As near as I can tell you find the sources inadequate because you don't happen to agree with them. Tough; that's not how we operate. VQuakr (talk) 04:51, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

...No, I find the sources inadequate because they're pretty clearly incorrect, as demonstrated by the sources I provided (and the sources which are apparently good enough for the power pop wiki page), which, unlike the sources used on the page for this song, actually define the genre and provide its characteristics, none of which fit here. Are the currently existing sources more "adequate" or authoritative because they were added to the page first? If I found some piece of copy calling it a death metal song, would that be a valid source simply because it exists? Not sure what you're trying to argue.

You can take a look at those sources yourself if you want. I'm not sure what else needs to be done here to make the point more clear. What needs to be sourced on this page to make the edit stick - something specifically stating that this particular song isn't a power pop song? Justdoinsomeedtits (talk) 05:18, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes; in order for the genre field to have "pop" as opposed to "power pop", you need to find something that specifically states this is a pop song rather than something that calls it a power pop song. Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:30, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I found two articles: Rolling Stone: "But Katy Perry's single, "Roar," which doesn't yet have a video, one-ups Gaga with an old-fashioned big, catchy and, yes, roaring pop anthem." Time: "Lead single “Roar” is streamlined Kiwi pop" 123.136.106.44 (talk) 07:08, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A couple other sources that specifically call it a "pop song" or "pop music" - Huffington Post and VH1 Justdoinsomeedtits (talk) 14:38, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I've gone ahead and implemented Rolling Stone as it has the most expertise in music-related journalism out of those four given for "pop", we only really need one for the main genre itself, and I'm not so sure what "Kiwi pop" is supposed to mean. Something I should note though that MTV is generally deemed a credible source while Gigwise isn't. While looking through the sources given beforehand, I also noticed that none of them mentioned any bits on glam rock for elements, so I removed that but kept in this piece from Slate for the arena rock element as none of the links mentioned here included that. Sorry for previously reverting the removal of glam rock. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:02, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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