Talk:Ritual and music system

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Requested move 22 September 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

It was proposed in this section that Ritual Music System be renamed and moved to Ritual and Music System.

result:
Moved to Ritual and music system per consensus below to rename and per WP:OTHEROPTIONS. There is no prejudice if editors want to begin a new move request at any time if a better title were to emerge. Thanks and kudos to editors for your input; everyone stay healthy! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 00:19, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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result:
Moved to Ritual and music system per consensus below to rename and per WP:OTHEROPTIONS. There is no prejudice if editors want to begin a new move request at any time if a better title were to emerge. Thanks and kudos to editors for your input; everyone stay healthy! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 00:19, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ritual Music System → Ritual and Music System – Much more google results, might be the established name in research. Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 16:05, 22 September 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:19, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

41k vs 5k Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 01:19, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support Ritual and music system: most sources use lowercase, so per MOS:CAPS we should do the same. I agree with the nom that "and" appears to be most common in the sources. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:32, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Audacity: is this something that you might be able to provide insight into? --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:05, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Sources

I am looking to add some more sources https://inf.news/en/culture/13f6bcc9ddf4e8248ad8525c0a36b55f.html https://historytopic.com/373.html https://archive.ph/wip/Dy9aw https://archive.ph/wip/3ctzS https://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/culture/2008-09/12/content_11848387.htm https://books.google.ca/books?id=IoCFEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA348&lpg=PA348&dq=%22ritual+and+music+system%22&source=bl&ots=im3ry4lsQV&sig=ACfU3U3e7LmUioYTpmDnTZHMXaw9Vu-QVA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj3hKy046j6AhWDATQIHbYrBkgQ6AF6BAgVEAM#v=onepage&q=%22ritual%20and%20music%20system%22&f=false http://davidpublisher.com/Public/uploads/Contribute/5d0c360f632ea.pdf Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 16:09, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article makes no sense

This article's scope makes very little sense. Aside from the weak prose, confusing formatting and bad sourcing issues, the entire "Predecessors" section is far out of this article's scope, the "Later history" section is essentially a badly written history of all Chinese music after the Zhou dynasty and half of the "Zhou Institution" is on Dance. There is actually only one paragraph in the article which discusses the use of music in Zhou ritual (the last paragraph of the Zhou Institution), which is, of course, completely uncited. The Spring and Autumn Period reactions is even more of a mess, and a "Dance used for politics in the PRC" section—are you kidding me??? Aza24 (talk) 21:05, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]